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Date:      Mon, 4 Mar 2013 19:30:29 +0100
From:      Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Eitan Adler <eadler@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        svn-doc-head@freebsd.org, svn-doc-all@freebsd.org, doc-committers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r40985 - head/en_US.ISO8859-1/htdocs/projects
Message-ID:  <20130304183027.GB30542@saturn>
In-Reply-To: <CAF6rxgkVwVpYE6quGU=-c_P3%2B7SLN8TX-0A0fn4Y4LfDe_AT5g@mail.gmail.com>
References:  <201302161636.r1GGaMOI055230@svn.freebsd.org> <20130224011108.GB10994@saturn> <CAF6rxgkVwVpYE6quGU=-c_P3%2B7SLN8TX-0A0fn4Y4LfDe_AT5g@mail.gmail.com>

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On 2013-02-25 23:29, Eitan Adler <eadler@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On 23 February 2013 20:11, Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > This is still a book that is available online and may serve a useful
> > purpose for people who are entirely new to BSD.  Maybe we should have a
> > section for 'historical documentation' and move this book there?
> 
> We have http://docs.freebsd.org/doc/.  Maintaining older documentation
> that contains larges amounts of dated information (as any book > N
> years will) is not useful IMHO.  Perhaps I am wrong?
> 
> >> -      <li><p>The main newsgroup for &os; is <a
> >> -         href="news:comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc">comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc</a>.
> >> -       You might want to keep an eye on <a
> >> -         href="news:comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce">comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce</a>
> >> -       as well.</p></li>
> >
> > I still use comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc and it is moderately active.  It
> > doesn't have the traffic that it used to have a decade ago, but I think
> > removing it altogether is a bit bad.
> ...
> > I'm not entirely sure if I want to keep *all* references to Usenet
> > groups.  But seeing 'comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc' go made me a bit sad.
> 
> So it seems this one in particular is active.  I have no objection to
> restoring it.  I thought it was dead (and I checked at the time, my
> news mirror must have been outdated).

My apologies for taking so long to come up with a reasonable way to fix
this.  Does the following patch look ok?  It reverts the removal of two
still-active newsgroups, and joins them in one paragraph.  One place to
talk about Usenet should be enough IMO:


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# HG changeset patch
# User Giorgos Keramidas <gkeramidas@gmail.com>
# Date 1362421435 -3600
#      Mon Mar 04 19:23:55 2013 +0100
# Node ID 83f7f158f12a1be7f8d91364b78627e575a8786d
# Parent  5069abd7a6b87f28cfd6e8ed8ca570472f71136c
Revert parts of r40985 for Usenet groups that are still alive.

diff -r 5069abd7a6b8 -r 83f7f158f12a en_US.ISO8859-1/htdocs/projects/newbies.xml
--- a/en_US.ISO8859-1/htdocs/projects/newbies.xml	Mon Mar 04 16:14:13 2013 +0100
+++ b/en_US.ISO8859-1/htdocs/projects/newbies.xml	Mon Mar 04 19:23:55 2013 +0100
@@ -95,6 +95,15 @@
 	  answers via the <a href="&base;/search/search.html#mailinglists">search</a>
 	  page.</p></li>
 
+      <li><p>The main newsgroup for &os; is <a
+           href="news:comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc">comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc</a>.
+        General UNIX questions are dealt with in the newsgroup <a
+          href="news:comp.unix.questions">comp.unix.questions</a> and the
+        associated <a
+          href="ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/unix-faq/faq/">FAQ</a>;
+        from the RMIT FTP site. Newbies are likely to be most
+        interested in sections 1 and 2 initially.</p></li>
+
       <li><p><a href="&cgibase;/man.cgi">Manual pages</a> are good
 	  for reference but not always
 	  the best introduction for a novice. The more you work with man pages

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