From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 10 01:01:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2EE16A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:01:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C586243D67 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:01:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dkelly@HiWAAY.net) Received: (qmail 26810 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2005 01:07:31 -0000 Received: from user-69-73-60-132.knology.net (HELO ?10.0.0.68?) (69.73.60.132) by smtp8.knology.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 01:07:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200501100017.j0A0Had6026177@mp.cs.niu.edu> References: <200501100017.j0A0Had6026177@mp.cs.niu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <279B98C7-62A3-11D9-B94A-000393BB56F2@HiWAAY.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Kelly Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:01:26 -0600 To: FreeBSD_Questions FreeBSD_Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: Re: I quit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:01:29 -0000 On Jan 9, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Scott Bennett wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:54:55 -0600 Andrew L. Gould > > wrote: > >> Mac OSX is based upon FreeBSD and may have native versions of the > > Mac OSX was--and unless something has changed drastically in the > last > few weeks, still is--based upon NextStep, another proprietary UNIX > that was > based upon a Mach 2.4-2.5 kernel and 4.3BSD above that. Thats a Linux fallacy, that the kernel makes the OS. Apple's collection of command line utilities we commonly think of as the Unix interface come from FreeBSD. As for what I've seen of the Darwin kernel, in grand BSD tradition Apple freely picked from here and there, whatever they thought best, and made what can only be said to be their own. >> applications you need. I talked my 11 year old nephew through an >> operating system upgrade (clean installation) of his ibook over the >> phone -- including wireless networking with WEP. >> > Unfortunately, Apple has not released a version for Intel > processors, > so it won't help someone with a pee cee instead of a Mac. Wrong, its called Darwin. If you think FreeBSD is raw then go play with Darwin for a bit. Darwin is used for both i386 and PowerPC. MacOS X is Darwin plus the fantastic Apple GUI and other neat Apple stuff. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.