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Date:      Fri, 23 Jun 2017 10:56:09 -0400
From:      Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com>
To:        Guido Falsi <madpilot@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [RFC] Why FreeBSD ports should have branches by OS version
Message-ID:  <16b4645e-58d5-e142-2e03-4f2620dbed89@columbus.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <cc0d9d0c-83fc-b608-0ddb-fc5381fcfd62@FreeBSD.org>
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On 06/23/17 10:30, Guido Falsi wrote:
> On 06/23/17 15:11, Baho Utot wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 06/23/17 04:53, Guido Falsi wrote:
>>> On 06/23/17 10:26, demelier.david@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2017-06-22 at 11:57 -0700, Dave Hayes wrote:
>>>>> Would you agree that release branches would be unnecessary if
>>>>> somehow
>>>>> you could select the version of node that the ports tree builds via
>>>>> some
>>>>> (as yet unspecified) mechanism?
>>>>
>>>> I've also think about that but I'm not sure if it's easier than having
>>>> frozen release branches.
>>>
>>> I usually stay away from this kind of threads, but I'd like to point
>>> out a very simple concept that has not been expressed.
>>>
>>> The ports tree repository is fully open source, available via
>>> subversion from the FreeBSD project and also mirrored on github. There
>>> is absolutely nothing stopping you(and anyone with time, skill and
>>> willingness to help you) from starting your fork from whichever source
>>> and using whatever tool you prefer, creating the branches you're
>>> describing.
>>>
>>> If your model works fine I'm quite sure the FreeBSD community and
>>> project will be quite happy to embrace it.
>>>
>>> As stated, the FreeBSD project (core, portmgr and committers) perceive
>>> a manpower problem in relation to implementing what you describe. In
>>> this thread it has been stated that such a manpower problem does not
>>> really exist. I cannot think of a better way to show there actually is
>>> no manpower problem than creating a working example of such a workflow
>>> maintained by just a few people with little effort, as you said
>>> repeatedly.
>>>
>>> On other hand demanding and/or insisting that others implement your
>>> idea when they clearly disagree with you is not very constructive.
>>>
>>> In relation to the suggestion of a stable or release ports branch:
>>>
>>> I'd also like a ports branch where things are merged only when really
>>> needed, some kind of "stable" branch. I don't like the release way you
>>> describe, but maybe it could actually work as an option, but I too see
>>> the manpower problem. An actual working proof of concept like I
>>> described above is the only thing that would persuade me I'm wrong
>>> about that.
>>>
>>> (I could try to help with such an experiment but I don't know how much
>>> time I could really spare for it)
>>>
>>
>> Ok, since you are taking the lead on this......
> 
> Since when "help with" is a synonym of "lead this effort"?
> 
>>
>> When do we start?
>>> Where shall I post my repository to?
>>
>> And updates?
>>
>> Should the start be for the 12.0 branch or should earlier?
>>
>> I can start on packaging the base system some time August is that ok
>> with you and will it fit your schedule?
> 
> I'm curious to know which paragraph is the sarcasm especially directed
> at, if the first or the last, in parenthesis and meant at giving hand if
> someone else has a clear plan. I can't see me leading an effort I
> clearly stated I don't think has many chances. Maybe I was not perfectly
> clear.
> 


I have faith in you... you can do this...when do we start?




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