From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 5 11:01:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1B61065677 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:01:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (unknown [IPv6:2002:51af:3dc3:0:20c:29ff:fece:79f3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD9C8FC15 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2002:51af:3dc3:0:ad2a:42b7:589f:698] (unknown [IPv6:2002:51af:3dc3:0:ad2a:42b7:589f:698]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id E54224B for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:01:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B90E48A.6030100@stillbilde.net> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:01:30 +0100 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail Account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100216 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <619814.37821.qm@web59102.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <4B90CF3E.2070508@lissyara.su> <4B90D557.90504@lissyara.su> <94301EB5-4D6C-4324-93D1-4D5E8660734B@rabson.org> <4B90E171.2040808@lissyara.su> In-Reply-To: <4B90E171.2040808@lissyara.su> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: propose: all arch move into a separate dir X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:01:24 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05.03.2010 11:48, Alex Keda wrote: > On 05.03.2010 12:59, Doug Rabson wrote: >> On 5 Mar 2010, at 09:56, Alex Keda wrote: >> >> >>> On 05.03.2010 12:45, Doug Rabson wrote: >>> >>>> On 5 Mar 2010, at 09:30, Alex Keda wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 05.03.2010 12:17, Robert Watson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> consumers like Isilon, NetApp, Juniper, and many others >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> thus, it is not 'Free', this managed by 'consumers like Isilon, >>>>> NetApp, Juniper, and many others'? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> It might be helpful to think of them as 'customers' who are using >>>> our 'product' and paying for it by feeding back patches and >>>> employing FreeBSD developers. Normal business practice doesn't >>>> include intentionally making your customers' lives difficult - if >>>> you make a habit of it they tend to go elsewhere. >>>> >>>> >>> It seems to me, business and freedom - are mutually exclusive things. >>> or you can choose the path of development, or who pays - giver >>> commands to community. >>> no freedom there. >>> >> Someone always pays. If this project didn't have sponsors like Isilon, >> NetApp, Juniper, Yahoo, and many others it simply would not exist. >> > > then can a more correct name of the project or ClosedBSD or ManagedBSD? =) > or something abstract? > ========== > I love FreeBSD, but then having to follow the guidance of someone even > though everyone understands what you can do better - depressing. Oh, so because a lot of the programmers behind it receive wages, and the project itself won't commit ritual suicide by basically blocking the companies using FreeBSD from returning improvements they make to the project itself, it should be renamed. Can I suggest you be careful around bright light sources? //Svein - -- - --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE - --------+-------------------+------------------------------- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mobile@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ - ------------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuQ5IoACgkQODUnwSLUlKTYLACbB37bgcYWrYrFjX0g6StaReSa k+YAn2hLbhcrXzbKoxDNklDhzGcWGEdw =3fZ/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----