From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 1 18:13:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (draco.over-yonder.net [198.78.58.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8782737B400 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:13:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 1CC94FC2; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:13:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:13:18 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Freddie Cash Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Taming Netscape Navigator? Message-ID: <20020301201318.C3880@over-yonder.net> References: <3C7FB956.18428.510B414@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5-fullermd.1i In-Reply-To: <3C7FB956.18428.510B414@localhost>; from fcash@bigfoot.com on Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 05:24:38PM -0800 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 05:24:38PM -0800 I heard the voice of Freddie Cash, and lo! it spake thus: > begin Somewhere around 16:41 on March 01, 2002, Jeremy wrote: > > Can anyone share some experiences or advice on how to control > > netscape? This is one reason I have a SMP workstation :P There's no real file I/O happening (unless you're really short on RAM and thrashing the swap), it's just being painfully slow about calculating out the table. > pkg_deinstall netscape > pkg_add -r linux-opera Ugh. Y'know.... It sure would be swell if somebody would come out with a webbrowser that doesn't suck. Nutscrape 4.x is a festering pile of donkey turds. It's also still my normal browser, because it does some things that no other browser will DO. Opera is nifty. Pretty clean, reasonably efficient. The stupid all-windows-in-one UI must die a fiery death though. It works great if you've got 2 or 3 open. It's useless when you get more than 5 or 6, both because it becomes impossible to find the one you want quickly, and because Opera gets draggingly slow as you open more. Opera 6.x is even SLOWER, and non-trivially buggier, so I'm stuck on 5. Mozilla is awesome and I REALLY wish they'd get it sorted out right so I could switch to it. It's bloated, it's slow, but it's THOROUGH. It's not *THAT* much more bloated, after all, than NS 4, in the final analysis, especially considering how much better the rendering et al is. It's a lot slower rendering big tables (like 10 vs. 30 minutes, for some *BIG* tables I've passed through 'em), and isn't near as snappy overall, but I'm sure part of that it just the result of my no-longer-quite-as-spiffy-as-it-once-was dual PPro-200/512k. But the single biggest thing keeping me with NS4? PROGRESS INDICATOR. Earth to browser developers; this is *NOT* a flashy whiz-bang feature that takes years of development and debugging! "X% of ABC{bytes,kb,mb} at D k/sec (E seconds remaining". Opera's got that nice loaded:total indicator, which I'd like (actually, I'd like it in 3-parts, not 2). Opera DOES have, at least, an indicator of the size loaded and the rate it's coming down, but they only work less than half the time, and often just freeze themselves partway through a download (plus they aren't that useful if it doesn't give you at least a total size expected, to say nothing of a quick off-the-cuff estimate). Mozilla just has a gray bar that doesn't tell you much of anything. Konqueror and friends just don't cut it at all; they're neat, sure, but they don't render as well as Opera/Mozilla, they're not really any faster, they're buggier, and they STILL don't have a progress indicator. *phew* -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message