From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 10 19:42:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DDA16A403 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peer.schaefer@hamburg.de) Received: from flut.int-rz.hamburg.de (frontend-1.hamburg.de [212.1.41.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0672143D55 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:42:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peer.schaefer@hamburg.de) Received: from [85.176.137.80] (helo=[192.168.1.103]) by flut.int-rz.hamburg.de (envelope-from ) with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GXNUa-0004tl-6x; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:42:20 +0200 Message-ID: <452BF79B.70400@hamburg.de> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:42:19 +0200 From: Peer Schaefer User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Remko Lodder References: <4528D502.8040504@hamburg.de> <20061008105109.GB60244@submonkey.net> <4528DC4D.2050201@hamburg.de> <4528DD95.2000808@FreeBSD.org> <452946B2.9030601@hamburg.de> <55360.194.74.82.3.1160488929.squirrel@webmail.evilcoder.org> In-Reply-To: <55360.194.74.82.3.1160488929.squirrel@webmail.evilcoder.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CDROM-Artwork (5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:42:26 -0000 Hi Remko, no, you are not nagging ;-) Feedback is always welcome, and thanks for pointing at this important issue. I don't agree with you fully, since I didn't USE the trademarks; I only REFERRED to them. USING them would require a license; REFERRING to them is free (disturbingly, REFERRING to a trademark -- in contrast of USING it -- is called "fair use" in anglo-american law, which is pretty silly since it is no "use"). If you REFER to a trademark you may spell it differently (e.g. "Unix" in stead of "UNIX"), as long as you don't degrade or disparage it. Even using the funny symbols (R) and (TM) is not mandatory, as long as the context makes clear that you don't claim the trademark to be your own or to be free. But -- and now comes the important part -- we do use the (R) symbol for "FreeBSD" itself. Not using it for the other trademarks in this context might be misunderstood in claiming that they are free. THAT could bring us into heavy trouble, so I think it's a good idea to place a (R) resp. (TM) beneath the respecitve name. If we do THAT we should spell the trademarks correctly, because with (R) resp. (TM) we indicate that the actually used term is legally protected; and THIS is only right for the correctly spelled trademark. So, in the end, if nobody as another advice, I will modify the processor-architecture trademarks to the "correct" spelling and add a (R) resp. (TM). The aesthetic result doesn't make me happy, but Remko is right I fear. Best regards, Peer BTW: what about the FreeBSD website? Is there a specific "trademark policy"? (not about "FreeBSD"[TM] itself but about the cited trademarks?) > Hello Peer, > > You are doing a great job, so first of all a big thank you. > > I read/looked at the images and they are great, but ofcourse i am the > nagging user :) and wanted to say, please look at the trademarks etc > for AMD64 for example, i think it is written uppercase and it might use > a AMD64[tm] or something from the AMD company. It could give you a lot > of problems if there are registered trademarks and you do not use them > (which is sad, but reality :( ). > > Apart from that: GREAT keep it up! >