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Date:      Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:14:31 -0700
From:      Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <rgrimes@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>, Toomas Soome <tsoome@me.com>,  src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org,  svn-src-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r344238 - head/stand/common
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On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:51 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
freebsd@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote:

> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:31 AM Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 2019-02-18 at 15:09 +0200, Toomas Soome wrote:
> > > > > On 18 Feb 2019, at 01:32, Ian Lepore <ian@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Author: ian
> > > > > Date: Sun Feb 17 23:32:09 2019
> > > > > New Revision: 344238
> > > > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/344238
> > > > >
> > > > > Log:
> > > > >  Restore loader(8)'s ability for lsdev to show partitions within a
> bsd
> > > slice.
> > > > >
> > > > >  I'm pretty sure this used to work at one time, perhaps long ago.
> It
> > > has
> > > > >  been failing recently because if you call disk_open() with
> > > dev->d_partition
> > > > >  set to -1 when d_slice refers to a bsd slice, it assumes you want
> it
> > > to
> > > > >  open the first partition within that slice.  When you then pass
> that
> > > open
> > > > >  dev instance to ptable_open(), it tries to read the start of the
> 'a'
> > > > >  partition and decides there is no recognizable partition type
> there.
> > > > >
> > > > >  This restores the old functionality by resetting d_offset to the
> start
> > > > >  of the raw slice after disk_open() returns.  For good measure,
> > > d_partition
> > > > >  is also set back to -1, although that doesn't currently affect
> > > anything.
> > > > >
> > > > >  I would have preferred to make disk_open() avoid such rude
> > > assumptions and
> > > > >  if you ask for partition -1 you get the raw slice.  But the commit
> > > history
> > > > >  shows that someone already did that once (r239058), and had to
> revert
> > > it
> > > > >  (r239232), so I didn't even try to go down that road.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What was the reason for the revert? I still do think the current
> > > > disk_open() approach is not good because it does break the promise to
> > > > get MBR partition (see common/disk.h).
> > > >
> > > > Of course I can see the appeal for something like ?boot disk0:? but
> > > > case like that should be solved by iterating partition table, and not
> > > > by making API to do wrong thing - if I did ask to for disk0s0: I
> > > > really would expect to get disk0s0: and not disk0s0a:
> > > >
> > > > But anyhow, it would be good to understand the actual reasoning
> > > > behind that decision.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I have no idea. As is so often the case, the commit message for the
> > > revert said what the commit did ("revert to historic behavior") without
> > > any hint of why the change was made. One has to assume that it broke
> > > some working cases and people complained.
> > >
> > > Part of the problem for the disk_open() "api" is that there is not even
> > > a comment block with some hints in it. I was thinking one potential
> > > solution might instead of using "if (partition < 0)" we could define a
> > > couple magical partition number values, PNUM_GETBEST = -1,
> > > PNUM_RAWSLICE = -2, that sort of thing. But it would require carefully
> > > combing through the existing code looking at all calls to disk_open()
> > > and all usage of disk_devdesc.d_partition.
> > >
> >
> > I think that we should fix the disk_open() api. And then fix everything
> > that uses it to comply with the new rules. The current hodge-podge that
> we
> > have causes a number of issues for different environments that are only
> > mostly worked around. I've done some work in this area to make things
> more
> > regular, but it's still a dog's breakfast of almost-stackable devices
> that
> > we overload too many things on, resulting in the mis-mash we have today.
> > When the whole world was just MBR + BSD label, we could get away with it.
> > But now that we have GPT as well as GELI support and ZFS pool devices on
> > top of disk devices, the arrangements aren't working as well as could be
> > desired.
>
> Yes please.
> Could this be some of the cause of issues with legacy mbr boots
> that use to work, that now stop working?  I have observed this
> on zfs in mbr on a machine here.  I did not have time to debug
> it, it was faster to nuke and pave the machine that was critical
> to operations, the error came as part of a failed freenas upgrade
> to the 11.2 based version.
>

I think the MBR issues are the same ones that Patrick Kelsey is looking
into. He has a differential review. If the upgrade was to FreeBSD 11.2,
however, that pre-dates most of the work we've done on the loader, so the
root cause of that issue may be different. And it may already be fixed in
stable/11 as we've since merged everything in current into stable/11
(except for a few things that changed the defaults in a user-visible way).

Warner



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