From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 15 17:45:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD3516A402 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D63D13C44B for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from hymn02.u.washington.edu (hymn02.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.239]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.03) with ESMTP id l4FHjME8005267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:45:22 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hymn02.u.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.03) with ESMTP id l4FHjMGZ028137 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:45:22 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.55.52.2] by hymn02.u.washington.edu via HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:45:22 PDT Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:45:22 -0700 (PDT) From: youshi10@u.washington.edu To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1179243541.1234.11.camel@zoot.mintel.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-PMX-Version: 5.3.1.294258, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.1.298604, Antispam-Data: 2007.5.15.102433 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='NO_REAL_NAME 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Subject: Re: DPS Initial Ideas X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:45:23 -0000 On Tue, 15 May 2007, Tom Evans wrote: > On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 11:23 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: >> In <861whigyua.fsf@dwp.des.no>, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav ty= ped: >>> Peter Jeremy writes: >>> > Mike Meyer writes: >>> > [Linux package systems] >>> > > As far as I know, none of them handle updates from source at all. I= n >>> > > fact, dealing with sources seems to be a noticable weakness for the= m. >>> > This pretty much rules them out then. >>> It would, if it were true. It isn't. >> >> Except it is. >> >>> apt-get --build source package_name >> >> That doesn't update from sources, that just builds a package. You're >> still stuck updating from packages. >> >> Further, like the rpm command, this doesn't deal with dependencies, >> other than to complain if they aren't met. This means that using it to >> deal with sources is about as pleasant as using rpm to install binary >> packages. Further, there doesn't appear to be anything like make.conf >> to make it easy to tailor the build process to meet the users >> requirements. >> >> =09 > Of course Gentoo does do this [updating from source], being as it is a > rip-off of freebsd ports. I haven't used it since the (fairly) early > days when portage was written as a series of bash scripts. I'm fairly > sure they must have improved it since then - it made portupgrade look > positively snappy. Unsurprisingly, everything was/is controlled by > adding options (mainly USE_FLAGS - eg '+gtk2 -kde') to make.conf. > > Tom Tom, It's gotten excruciatingly more complex with the introduction of Pyth= on, classes, and an increase in USE flags. -Garrett