From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 8 08:55:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11850 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 08:55:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11717 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 08:55:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no (skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.2]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with SMTP id RAA25123; Fri, 8 May 1998 17:54:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by skejdbrimir.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:54:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) Cc: Tony Overfield , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? References: <3.0.3.32.19980507095816.00689420@bugs.us.dell.com> <199805070251.TAA00511@antipodes.cdrom.com> <3.0.3.32.19980508005947.006ba3b4@bugs.us.dell.com> <3552efbc.258248161@mail.cetlink.net> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 08 May 1998 17:54:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: jak@cetlink.net's message of "Fri, 08 May 1998 11:58:22 GMT" Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA11732 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) writes: > On Fri, 08 May 1998 00:59:47 -0500, Tony Overfield > wrote: > > This harsh opinion of the older systems is justified, in my mind, > > because the "state of the art PC" (please excuse the apparent > > oxymoron) is quite simply far more powerful than any "perfectly good > > 486 box." > I have 486 DX4-100's running at 50MHz x 2 which do a full make world > (-DCLOBBER -DNOGAMES) in 4.5 hours. Many pentiums, with the PnP BIOS > you cherish, don't go much faster than that. So I believe that your > harsh opinion of older systems is justified ONLY in your mind. Allow me to add that it has {long|always} been a point of honor for the "FreeBSD crowd" that we can run on practically any PC, from the old 386 gathering dust on my shelf¹ to the shiny new 400 MHz PII box Steinar told us about which builds world in 46 minutes. Tony, you might be surprised to find out just how useful a rusty old 386 can be if you stick a NIC in it and boot PicoBSD from a floppy. Add a second NIC and you have a full-featured IP firewall. It may not have horsepower for much more than 10 Mbps, but that's all that's needed. ¹ well, it's just a motherboard, but fully functional AFAIK :) -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message