From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 9 7:40:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B1137B400 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 07:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A12753FC56; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:40:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:40:39 +0100 From: Miguel Mendez To: Paul Robinson Cc: Mike Meyer , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ Message-ID: <20020309164039.A89088@energyhq.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Paul Robinson , Mike Meyer , chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020306191854.C2150-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> <3C86C11C.8A31C8BB@mindspring.com> <15494.52528.125952.145716@guru.mired.org> <3C86D7D6.C11D7E@mindspring.com> <15494.58407.33613.314390@guru.mired.org> <8457986570.20020307135407@internethelp.ru> <15495.57385.993281.469551@guru.mired.org> <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk> <15497.12783.643757.175742@guru.mired.org> <20020309144158.K32897@iconoplex.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020309144158.K32897@iconoplex.co.uk>; from paul@iconoplex.co.uk on Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 02:41:58PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 02:41:58PM +0000, Paul Robinson wrote: Hi, > And what if you want HP-UX? Or AIX? Or VMS? Let me guess, your parents we= re > rich and would give you all the hardware you asked for, right? Or your LOL! That was indeed the only reason I've ever had to hack, gaining access to systems otherwise I would have never used. If curiosity and will = to learn is a crime, I should be in prison right now. > just wasn't like that. I'll be straight - I've only ever met a small hand= ful > of people who like me have used a Cray without having worked in the Yeah, I remember when I accessed a local uni Cray (a pretty old one btw) an= d spent quite some time reading those wonderful man pages and UNICOS documentation. I never did anything else on that computer other than read man pages and compile a couple programs to learn about 64bit'isms. I don't think I'm a criminal for that. =20 > scientific or supercomputer industry. Go figure. I'm not saying that hack= ing > is right, I'm just trying to point out that your head is stuck up your ass It may be not right, but it's not that bad as long as you have ethics. I mean, if there had been available test systems for me to use at that time I probably would have never attempted to access any of those computers. > so far you can't see the reality of why people sometimes do the things th= ey > do. Sometimes it just isn't possible to just 'install "OS" and use it' and Agreed, but it seems some people in this list can't (or do not want to) understand that simple fact. > that's where a significant proportion of the "I want to learn" hackers ge= t=20 > their motives from. Totally agree with you. > > First, hacking isn't illegal. Using resources that don't belong to you >=20 > Depends on country. In the UK, hacking is itself illegal. Computer Misuse= =20 > Act. Where you are, things may be different. I think by now most countries have anti hack laws. It's really sad how hackers have been demonized by the media. I've been hearing about cyberterrorist attacks that would lead to an Armaggedon for years, and am still waiting for it to happen. Cheers, --=20 Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net GPG Public Key :: http://energyhq.homeip.net/files/pubkey.txt EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk FreeBSD - The power to serve! --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8iiz2nLctrNyFFPERAnayAJwJEQbh8y2lXKk/aY2j7MldRXLgZACfQW+a Sxhz9nWYBRWWdYqP65KqAEU= =6t1F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ikeVEW9yuYc//A+q-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message