From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jul 10 14:34:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from softweyr.com (softweyr.com [208.247.99.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3918737B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:34:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from wes by softweyr.com with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15K5EQ-000Fr6-00; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:39:46 -0600 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral To: stuyman@confusion.net (Laurence Berland) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Cc: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters), rara.rasputin@virgin.net (Rasputin), ragnar@sysabend.org (Jamie Bowden), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Laurence Berland" at Jul 10, 2001 01:15:11 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Wes Peters Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Laurence Berland wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Wes Peters wrote: > > > Laurence Berland wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Rasputin wrote: > > > > > > > I may be low on caffeine, but I don't see how breaking up the base system > > > > into packages makes it any easier to upgrade than using cvsup? > > > > > > I think the discussion is Re: binary upgrades, like putting in the CD and > > > hitting that upgrade option, which right now doesn't quite get you there > > > afaik. > > > > I don't think the goal was to make the system easier to upgrade, but rather > > easier to subset. Do we really NEED to have sendmail on every DNS server > > we put together? > > Also very true. But in the context of upgrades, which is what Rasputin > was coming from, it's a binary upgrade issue, not a source one, which is > why cvsup isn't a fair comparison. I definitely think it'd be nice to > have things like sendmail somewhat more separate. Right, but updates were NOT the driving REASON for removing chunks of FreeBSD to ports. Of course this change will have ramifications for updates. The primary change, from my viewpoint, is that I don't have to wait to update sendmail on my DNS servers, because sendmail won't be part of the default system anymore. Yippee! -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message