From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 18 14:18:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F27237B405 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70D5BF94; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11300; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:18:29 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fBIMJEg65125; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:19:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GPL nonsense: time to stop References: <20011218121011.E21649@monorchid.lemis.com> <4hzo4hyv3c.o4h@localhost.localdomain> <4.3.2.7.2.20011217221801.02841bc0@localhost> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 18 Dec 2001 14:19:14 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011217221801.02841bc0@localhost> Message-ID: <0gn10gyxwd.10g@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass writes: > Absolutely. It means the difference between earning a living and > being deprived of one (which is one of the explicit goals of the > GPL; see Stallman's "GNU Manifesto"). To be fair, he does want software developers to earn a living, but he wants them to be paid by the hour or by the job, rather than living off license royalties. It's a common socialist mindset that desparages the capitalistic things like capital and investment and risk and winners and loosers and especially profits. No doubt he also has trouble with our entertainers making obscene money because many people want to pay ten bucks to see a trashy movie. It'd be much better (in this mindset) to just pay them up front to make and show the movie, and then let everyone have the freedom to see it or not. The other big motivation of the Manifesto is to discourage the development of software which people are not allowed to repair and enhance and pass along fixes and enhancements, by having the guild of copyleftists hoard their software so it can't be used in non-guild software. Unfortunately, he also decided to punish developers who WILL allow repair and enhancement (eg, FreeBSD) but won't join in the punishment of others; that is way the GPL has no virus-escape clause for other open software, which it easily could do. I don't understand why more people don't find this bullying of other open ("free") software developers distasteful. > Not endlessly. But I am persistent because the issue is important > and because FreeBSD is already in deep trouble. The GPL camel is > already in the tent. Wrong animal. It's a gnu. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message