From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 4 18:16:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBFE37B405 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:16:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33BD43F79 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:16:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F08255197D; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:46:23 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:46:23 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Larry Sica Cc: Brett Glass , Magnus =?iso-8859-1?B?QuRja3N0cvZt?= , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object Message-ID: <20030205021623.GP12525@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030204110551.00c54680@localhost> <3C66FB8E-3873-11D7-9842-000393A335A2@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <3C66FB8E-3873-11D7-9842-000393A335A2@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 4 February 2003 at 14:02:41 -0500, Larry Sica wrote: > > I've tried not to get drawn into this but.. > > On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 01:11 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > >> At 10:56 AM 2/4/2003, Magnus Bäckström wrote: >> >>> "Those most involved" need to be developers; they are the only ones >>> investing anything in the project >> >> Nonsense. System administrators, documentors, and users engaged >> in advocacy also have large investments and must be represented. > > I have to agree here. A broader representation of the total > userbase might make for a more even representation. One that takes > other factors into account. To be honest some of the logistics of > the project have been sorely lacking. > > I do not have the expertise to do any hard core programming, does that > mean i therefore should have no say? What if i write a number of > articles, or am really helpful? Or maintain hundreds of freebsd > systems? Does my investment seem less just because I am not a > committer? This is a valid viewpoint. I've been wondering for some time how we could do this. You can contribute other things than code to the source tree, of course, such as documentation. But I don't see a good way to include systems administrators (except in exactly that function within the project, and opportunities there are limited). We've also had problems with advocacy: some advocates are somewhat extreme, and we're concerned they're doing the project more harm than good. If you can come up with some good suggestions, we'd like to see them (at the risk of Yet Another Bike Shed). Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message