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Date:      Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:39:55 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Neal E. Westfall" <nwestfal@directvinternet.com>
To:        Terry Lambert <tlambert2@mindspring.com>
Cc:        Dave Hayes <dave@jetcafe.org>, <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Why did evolution fail?
Message-ID:  <20020904113306.I88455-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan>
In-Reply-To: <3D756EB4.DE0179ED@mindspring.com>

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On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:

> > > By evolving creatures who imprison or kill peers who engage in
> > > forcible reproductive acts, thereby ensuring their removal from
> > > the gene pool.
> >
> > Have either of you ever wondered why, over billions of years, evolution
> > hasn't made these problems irrelevant?  I mean, how many billions of
> > years do we need to wait for evolution to kick in and remove the
> > miscreants?
>
> Either it's not a genetic trait, or the gene is recessive.
>
> Recessive genes do not get eliminated from the population,
> because there is no evolutionary pressure on the bearers of
> the genes, only on their offspring in which the genes are
> expressed.

Or possibly on your evolutionary theory, (I think Dave will
appreciate this) those genes are necessary for the survival
of the species.

> > > A society no more cares for its individual members than you
> > > care for the individual cells which make up your body.
> >
> > Why then all the talk about "the rights of the state"?
>
> Thus implying a state which cares not for individual members
> has no rights?

Exactly.


> By that argument, we should not talk about the rights of the
> individual, since individuals are made up of cells, yet do not
> care for the rights of the individual cells of which they are
> composed... and therefore have no rights.

Fallacy of composition?


Neal



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