From owner-freebsd-arch Fri Feb 23 11:45:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wgate.com (mail.wgate.com [38.219.83.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F8437B684 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:45:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjesup@wgate.com) Received: from jesup.eng.tvol.net ([10.32.2.26]) by mail.wgate.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 152C564H; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:45:08 -0500 Reply-To: Randell Jesup To: arch@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Alfred Perlstein , msinz@wgate.com (Mike Sinz), bbauman@wgate.com (Bruce Bauman) Subject: ELF and diskless boot References: <3A960EF8.75C3FC53@cup.hp.com> <20010222233800.A1394@mollari.cthul.hu> <20010222234457.D8663@fw.wintelcom.net> <20010222235035.A1656@mollari.cthul.hu> <20010223002412.F8663@fw.wintelcom.net> <20010223002753.A983@mollari.cthul.hu> <20010223003550.H8663@fw.wintelcom.net> <20010223043440.D2539@dragon.nuxi.com> From: Randell Jesup Date: 23 Feb 2001 14:45:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: "David O'Brien"'s message of "Fri, 23 Feb 2001 04:34:40 -0800" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FYI, is there a reason that we've set up our kernel interface to top, etc to fail unless the kernel (in this case 4.x) is loaded with _debugging_ symbols? I.e. if you strip a kernel, top (and a bunch of other stuff) doesn't work because they can't find certain kernel structures. To make this worse, they also fail if you etherboot (because debug symbols aren't loaded). Is there a reason for this behavior? Perhaps some benefit we don't see? Any chance of getting this fixed? I believe this appears sometime since 3.x, i.e. after we'd already moved to ELF, but I'm not sure. (Note: I'm not the primary person investigating this; Mike is. I think he's looking at modding etherboot to work around the problem.) -- Randell Jesup, Worldgate Communications, ex-Scala, ex-Amiga OS team ('88-94) rjesup@wgate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message