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Date:      Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:21:00 +0200
From:      Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@online.fr>
To:        Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: overclocking and freebsd
Message-ID:  <20020422182100.C84821@lpt.ens.fr>
In-Reply-To: <p05111711b8e9927bafbb@[10.0.1.38]>; from brad.knowles@skynet.be on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 12:17:23PM %2B0200
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Brad Knowles said on Apr 22, 2002 at 12:17:23:
> >                                   Holding down alt, and pressing tab
> >  repeatedly, goes through the stack until you get the window you want.
> 
> 	Well, there would be <command>-<tab> to move forward by 
> application, <command>-<shift>-<tab> to move backward by application, 
> and then you would also need <command>-<option>-<tab> and 
> <command>-<option>-<shift>-<tab> to move forward and backward by 
> window within the application.  At least, you'd need these options in 
> the current methodology, which would have the advantage of being 
> relatively context-free.

Well, I can only talk about my usual work pattern.  alt-shift-tab is
too contorted a handmovement to do on a regular basis.  However, I
usually access 2-3 windows regularly, and have 3-4 other windows open
which I don't access all that often.  So, I can always get to the
"regularly used" windows with one or two alt-tabs.  With the rarely
used ones, I need to press tab several times while holding down alt,
but since I rarely use those windows, it's acceptable.  

This would not be possible with the cycle order fixed.  Even
alt-shift-tab would not solve the problem: say I have 10 windows open,
but am shifting between 1 and 5 constantly.  With my usual window
managers, these move to the top of the stack, but if they didn't, I'd
have to either press alt-tab five times each time I wanted to switch,
or figure out some way of reordering the cycle.

> >  I don't see what the mouse has to do with it.
> 
> 	What if it gets moved by accident?  What if it's a touchpad or a 
> pointing stick that is buried between the G, H, & B keys, and easily 
> gets moved slightly when you type?

You're talking about focus-follows-pointer type window managers?  I
avoid such settings, for precisely that reason: I use the mouse rarely
enough that it's not expensive to point-and-click to change focus, and
I don't like to change focus just because the mouse slipped.  (I don't
know what OS X does.)

- Rahul

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