From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 18 09:25:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E29B106566C for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:25:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from citadel.icyb.net.ua (citadel.icyb.net.ua [212.40.38.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03898FC08 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from porto.starpoint.kiev.ua (porto-e.starpoint.kiev.ua [212.40.38.100]) by citadel.icyb.net.ua (8.8.8p3/ICyb-2.3exp) with ESMTP id LAA23465; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:25:32 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from avg@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by porto.starpoint.kiev.ua with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1RnRls-0008XU-Bc; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:25:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4F16900A.90905@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:25:30 +0200 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Igor Mozolevsky References: <4F15C44F.1030208@freebsd.org> <1326836797.1669.234.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <4F16019F.2060300@FreeBSD.org> <1326843399.1669.249.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <4F160B99.1060001@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: undefined Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ian Lepore , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:25:47 -0000 on 18/01/2012 02:16 Igor Mozolevsky said the following: > Seriously, WTF is the point of having a PR system that allows patches > to be submitted??! When I submit a patch I fix *your* code (not yours > personally, but you get my gist). Let me pretend that I don't get it. It is as much your code as it is mine if you are a user of FreeBSD. I just happen to have a commit bit at this point in time. > No other project requires a > non-committer to be so ridiculously persistent in order to get a patch > through. There are about 5000 open PRs for FreeBSD base system, maybe more. There are only a few dozens of active FreeBSD developers. Maybe less for any given particular point in time (as opposed to a period of time). And dealing with PRs is not always exciting. Need I continue? P.S. Using GNATS for the PR database doesn't help either, in some technical ways. -- Andriy Gapon