From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 29 23:48: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F94037B41C for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02644BD45; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30044; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:47:44 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g2U7kAi20083; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:46:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Brett Glass Cc: Chip Morton , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: run Microsoft Office without Windows References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020329211251.03040d70@nospam.lariat.org> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 29 Mar 2002 23:46:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020329211251.03040d70@nospam.lariat.org> Message-ID: Lines: 38 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass writes: > I think it smacks of hypocrisy. Codeweavers just recently insisted upon > converting the WINE code base from an X11-like license to the LGPL, because > they claimed that it was wrong for other companies to make money by doing > their own products based on WINE. And here they've come out with one.... Brett, I usually agree with you, but I wonder if you've paraphrased them correctly. They, like any other proprietary-minded user of copyleft (including the FSF), have an us-verse-them philosophy which would lead one to say something like: I'll have to tolerate others making some money off my free [sic] software because it otherwise wouldn't qualify as free [sic] software, BUT it is wrong for them to not let me then use their derivatives of it in return (which conveniently, thanks to copyleft, just happens to include any of the other's software they choose to combine with my free [sic] software). It's just not fair. Waaaa. They can't use mine unless I can use theirs. It would give them a competive advantage. X11-like licenses don't keep derivatives free. We must acknowledge that it makes some sense in the proprietory way of thinking that Microsoft, Stallman, and others have popularized, sadly even in the open source and academic scientific/research worlds where true sharing was once common. I only wish that people who understand that sharing isn't the same thing as trading and who don't mind sharing (like most BSDers) could do a better job rallying together and promoting the philosophy. Too many people just care about software features and, given copyleft's advantages of mind-share and virility, we should promote other reasons to use non-GNU/Linux software like FreeBSD. And I don't blame companies like Codeweavers for acting selfishly; that's what companies are for. They'll only share or act unselfish to the extent that there's some benefit. And I don't see their hypocracy; they could keep some of their work secret no matter what open source license WINE is under. (And I don't consider "acting unselfish" hypocritical in that context; it's a well-established well-honored behavior which hurts nobody.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message