From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 28 12:56:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.acns.ab.ca (mail.acns.ab.ca [142.179.151.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5878237B400 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (colnta.acns.ab.ca [192.168.1.2]) by mail.acns.ab.ca (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0SKu4V18855; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:56:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: (from davidc@localhost) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0SKu3266563; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:56:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from davidc) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:56:03 -0700 From: Chad David To: Nate Williams Cc: "M. Warner Losh" , ertr1013@student.uu.se, cjm2@earthling.net, charon@seektruth.org, dsyphers@uchicago.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Transmissions :) Was: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020128135603.G66369@colnta.acns.ab.ca> Mail-Followup-To: Nate Williams , "M. Warner Losh" , ertr1013@student.uu.se, cjm2@earthling.net, charon@seektruth.org, dsyphers@uchicago.edu, stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <1617.216.153.202.59.1012240332.squirrel@www1.27in.tv> <20020128192930.GA86720@student.uu.se> <15445.44102.288461.155113@caddis.yogotech.com> <20020128.131414.49257581.imp@village.org> <15445.45720.514136.887062@caddis.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15445.45720.514136.887062@caddis.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 01:20:40PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 01:20:40PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > : If I enable the clutch in my car, my car moves (assuming it's in gear). > > : If I disable it, the power is no longer going to the drive wheels. > > > > That's not quite right, but it is a good analogy. If you disable your > > clutch, then you are going to have to shift without it and deal with > > putting it into gear at stops. > > Unfortunately, you can't do it w/out a clutch. (At least, not without > tearing your clutch/transmission to bits). No true :). While at a stop a clutch is a good idea, you can avoid ware on a number of parts if you learn to shift without clutch while moving. On smaller four and five speed transmissions (or bikes)this is actually quite easy... on 3 ton grain trucks and tractors its a little more tricky. > > > If you enable your clutch, then you > > can use it to help in shifting. This isn't quite the same as what you > > said, and an analogous condition exists with the firewall rules. > > "help in shifting"? I'd call a clutch the most critical part of a > transmission. W/out a clutch, you don't have a transmission. Perhaps, but in its purest form what do gears have to do with a transmission? Think torque converter or hydrostatic drive :). And to think I gave up being a heavy duty mechanic to do this... since its current ~ -20C outside I think I made the correct choice :). -- Chad David davidc@acns.ab.ca www.FreeBSD.org davidc@freebsd.org ACNS Inc. Calgary, Alberta Canada Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year. - Johnathan Swift To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message