From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 19:33:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93A2C544; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out-02.shaw.ca (smtp-out-02.shaw.ca [64.59.136.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AF22181; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:33:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=W0/jygPWOP4vNGB1giqMd6hViTlTWopR5z2gXdBWnF4= c=1 sm=1 a=cQ5pcHtl6RgA:10 a=QrugwKR0C_UA:10 a=wAGQQ9Az6v0A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=ICAaq7hcmGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IbtKDeXwb2+SRU442/pi3A==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=BWvPGDcYAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QQ1ygdTaH2DBou8bubUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=V7tsTZBp22UA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO spqr.komquats.com) ([96.50.7.119]) by smtp-out-02.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2014 13:33:32 -0600 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy8 [10.2.2.6]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578739BEA; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 12:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s6NGLVZ8025718; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:21:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@komquats.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.14.9/8.14.8/Submit) with ESMTP id s6NGJBQF025702; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:19:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@komquats.com) Message-Id: <201407231619.s6NGJBQF025702@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.6 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.komquats.com/ To: Adrian Chadd Subject: Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ? In-Reply-To: Message from Adrian Chadd of "Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:07:19 -0700." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:18:51 -0700 Cc: freebsd-current , krad , Gleb Smirnoff , =?UTF-8?B?R2Vycml0IEvDvGhu?= , FreeBSD Mailing List , Matt Bettinger X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:33:33 -0000 In message , Adrian Chadd writes: > On 18 July 2014 07:34, krad wrote: > > that is true and I have not problem using man pages, however thats not the > > way most of the world work and search engines arent exactly new either. We > > should be trying to engage more people not less, and part of that is > > reaching out. > > Then do the port and maintain it. > > The problem isn't the desire to keep things up to date, it's a lack of > people who want that _and_ are willing/able to do it _and_ are funded > somehow. Funding is the issue. Sure, some of us maintain software because a personal need however without funding one has to fit maintaining software into whatever time is left. For those of us who do this without funding you manage to squeeze in an hour here or there. > So, please step up! We'll all love you for it. Many hands make light work. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.