From owner-freebsd-current Mon Dec 28 15:19:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09931 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:19:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09923 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:19:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14506; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdJ14504; Mon Dec 28 23:11:34 1998 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:11:31 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Peter Wemm cc: Alfred Perlstein , Pat Barron , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: So, exactly what *was* purged? In-Reply-To: <199812281859.CAA67283@spinner.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Transputer co-processor board... what do I win? julian On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Peter Wemm wrote: > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Pat Barron wrote: > > > > > I know someone asked this, but I have not seen an answer: Could someone > > > provide a list of exactly what was purged? It would be handy to know > > > things like, "this was purged, and is absolutely *not* coming back", or > > > "this was purged, but is being considered for reinstatement", but what I > > > really want to know is *exactly* what is now (today) gone, that used to be > > > there. > > > > voxware, lkms, vinum(an lkm) > > - DSI_SOFT_MODEM > - bqu driver > - 3c505 (note, *NOT* 3c905) > - pcvt > - broken (not updated for CAM) scsi drivers: nca, sea, wds, uha > - ft > - wcd (use acd instead) > - voxware > - lkm building (all lkm's have a corresponding kld) > > The vinum KLD module was accidently broken - it shared it's sources with > the LKM. > > And 10 points to the first person who can tell me what 'bqu' was without > looking it up. :-) > > > voxware may come back, vinum is definetly coming back as kld > > The jury is out on pcvt and voxware.. My feeling is that there's more than > enough support for both to revive them. > > Vinum is already fixed (I hope), and should also now support being > compiled into the kernel ("pseudo-device vinum") as well. > > > basically klms which have been deemed bad by -core are gone, as well as > > voxware. > > LKM's have been deemed sub-optimal by just about everyone. We are in a > situation where the KLD system is a superset of LKM's and it's a lot of > work duplicating effort to keep LKM's working. LKM's are a.out only while > KLD's are a.out and ELF, and both formats work on either format kernel.. > KLD's work with DDB, KLD's can be auto-loaded by the kernel (and are > already for filesystems). > > While I'd have liked the LKM retirement to be a little more peaceful and > with more warning, I'm not all that sad that support has gone for > building new LKMs that have already got *working* KLD equivalents. I for > one would like to remove kernel support for LKM's as well. > > Cheers, > -Peter > -- > Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting > "No coffee, No workee!" :-) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message