Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:46:43 +1100 (EST) From: David Dawes <dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Cc: kaleb@x.org, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: syscons driver Message-ID: <199512290246.NAA02946@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <7270.820200057@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Dec 28, 95 05:20:57 pm
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>> Lessee. >> >> Install: %gunzip -c <some XFree86>.tar.gz | tar xf - >> >> Dunno what's so hard about that. > >I have to wonder whether or not you're really being serious! :-) > >OK, let me qualify my earlier remarks for the benefit of Amancio and >everyone, and please do at least bear in mind that I get a LOT of >support questions which certainly indicates that something is not as >clear as it should be or I wouldn't get so many, right? Right, but I also feel that there is a lot of baggage being carried over from how things used to be that cause people to overly complicate what they are trying to do. When we get a report saying "My S3 Trio64 doesn't show any useful clocks, what do I do?" it means that the person installing it is working from some preconceived idea of how 'XFree86' works. >First off, getting X to work with a stock VGA card isn't too difficult >if you're willing to stick to 640x480 res and the SVGA server. I'm >assuming that's not what's wanted, however, so we move to step two. > >Step two is getting some sort of accellerated server working, and >that's when things quickly get fiddly. What clock chip do I set for >the early #9 cards? Failure to do so will get you a list of >auto-probed clocks that have you back at 640x480 again (28, 32 and so >on). What about an ATI card? Yearg! It locks my machine up! What >do you mean "shared IRQ?!" What about my Matrox? It doesn't work?! >I could go on, but will spare your ears. Regarding your example of an early #9 card. Here is part of an xf86config run: 90 Miro Crystal 20SD with ICS2494 (BIOS 1.xx) S3-864 91 Miro Crystal 20SD with S3-SDAC (BIOS 3.xx) S3-864 92 Miro Crystal 20SV S3-964 93 Miro Crystal 40SV S3-964 94 Miro Crystal 8S S3-801/805 95 Miro VIDEO 20SV S3-968 96 Number Nine FX Motion 531 S3-868 97 Number Nine FX Motion 771 S3-968 98 Number Nine FX Vision 330 S3-Trio64 99 Number Nine GXE Level 10/11/12 S3-928 100 Number Nine GXE Level 14/16 S3-928 101 Number Nine GXE64 S3-864 102 Number Nine GXE64 Pro S3-964 103 Number Nine GXE64 with S3-Trio64 S3-Trio64 104 Oak (generic) Oak-067/77/87 105 Orchid Celsius (AT&T RAMDAC) AGX-015 106 Orchid Celsius (Sierra RAMDAC) AGX-015 107 Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 S3-801 Enter a number to choose the corresponding card definition. Press enter for the next page, q to continue configuration. ->99 Your selected card definition: Identifier: Number Nine GXE Level 10/11/12 Chipset: S3-928 Server: XF86_S3 Clockchip: icd2061a Do NOT probe clocks or use any Clocks line. Press enter to continue, or ctrl-c to abort. ... What's difficult about that? The issue of hardware that XFree86 doesn't support is the real show stopper. That's something we're continually working on (and the Mach64 support should be heaps better in the 3.1.2B release that will be out in a day or two). The only way we'll get over this hardware support issue is to have more people (ie volunteers) working on it. Unfortunately the number of people actively working on this sort of thing has been decreasing not increasing :-(. David
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