From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 5 11:04:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572C6106566C for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dfr@rabson.org) Received: from itchy.rabson.org (router.rabson.org [80.177.232.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170648FC20 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by itchy.rabson.org (Postfix, from userid 80) id 725CF5C92; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:03:47 +0000 (GMT) To: Alex Keda MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:03:47 +0000 From: Doug Rabson In-Reply-To: <4B90E171.2040808@lissyara.su> References: <619814.37821.qm@web59102.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <4B90CF3E.2070508@lissyara.su> <4B90D557.90504@lissyara.su> <94301EB5-4D6C-4324-93D1-4D5E8660734B@rabson.org> <4B90E171.2040808@lissyara.su> Message-ID: <44e8f76e05b44248dbec3910c16e830d@mail.rabson.org> X-Sender: dfr@rabson.org User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: propose: all arch move into a separate dir X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:04:20 -0000 On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:48:17 +0300, Alex Keda wrote: > On 05.03.2010 12:59, Doug Rabson wrote: >> On 5 Mar 2010, at 09:56, Alex Keda wrote: >> >> >>> On 05.03.2010 12:45, Doug Rabson wrote: >>> >>>> On 5 Mar 2010, at 09:30, Alex Keda wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 05.03.2010 12:17, Robert Watson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> consumers like Isilon, NetApp, Juniper, and many others >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> thus, it is not 'Free', this managed by 'consumers like Isilon, >>>>> NetApp, Juniper, and many others'? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> It might be helpful to think of them as 'customers' who are using our >>>> 'product' and paying for it by feeding back patches and employing >>>> FreeBSD developers. Normal business practice doesn't include >>>> intentionally making your customers' lives difficult - if you make a >>>> habit of it they tend to go elsewhere. >>>> >>>> >>> It seems to me, business and freedom - are mutually exclusive things. >>> or you can choose the path of development, or who pays - giver commands >>> to community. >>> no freedom there. >>> >> Someone always pays. If this project didn't have sponsors like Isilon, >> NetApp, Juniper, Yahoo, and many others it simply would not exist. >> > > then can a more correct name of the project or ClosedBSD or ManagedBSD? =) > or something abstract? No.