From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 4 17:45:50 2000 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 4 17:45:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBE737B400 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02409; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAOFaOMo; Mon Dec 4 17:36:12 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14259; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:40:39 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200012050040.RAA14259@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disks To: bp@butya.kz (Boris Popov) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 00:40:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: keichii@peorth.iteration.net (Michael C . Wu), tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Boris Popov" at Dec 04, 2000 12:18:55 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tlambert@usr02.primenet.com Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Boris, How much is USD$170,000.00 in Russian Rubles? > > And if you do not mind, please give us a rough estimate of how much > > a Russian kernel hacker gets paid an year? :) > > > > USD$510,000.00 for copyright, code, and one unix-guru's 6 months' work. > > Hmmm, where do I sign up for the job? :) > > Well, lets do some calculations to convert these trailing zeros > to a monthly "salary": > > 170000 / 6 = 28333.3(3) > 510000 / 6 = 85000.00 > > The first number is about 18 - 36 times bigger than the monthly > salary of the good C/C++ programmer (one may calculate the same for a > second number, I don't wan't to look at result :). Eg, if you find a way > to transfer money to the CIS area, then someone (possibly a group of > people) can easily dedicate 12 hours per day for this task :) That's 20k down to 10k a year. In the SV area, you are talking: 2 BDRM apt: $2,000/month = $24,000/year = $53,000/year before taxes So those prices are very cheap. For the particular project referenced, you will need an NT system and several scratch disks, so that you can examine the state changes in identical FS's, until you can create identical changes as a result. You will need a full Windows developement system, including the driver develeopement kit and the standard kit (DDK and SDK). You will also need to beg/borrow/bribe a copy of a Windows NT IFS sample code. The best place to get this is the NT 3.5.1 1996 developer's conference ISO 9660 sample installable FS. You will also need Helen Custer's "Inside NTFS book", and the FreeBSD NTFS code, which is read-only. Finally, you will need a detailed understanding of log structured FSs, as well as the problems the current FreeBSD VFS has with such animals, and where it would be modified. So yeah, it's a little high, but the programmer is assuming risk, and charging for some expensive to acquire knowledge, and working with software that is no fun to work with, so there has to be an expectation of paying a premium for the work. If someone else is willing to do the work for less, fine; I still don't see anyone willing to fund the work, though, so this is probably a pointless discussion. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message