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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k35sm3774526ani.3.2012.05.02.10.40.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 May 2012 10:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3VjRb93dkQz2CG5r for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:40:10 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120502134010.3bf156d7@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20120427161316.GA60361@pcjas.obspm.fr> <20120428205201.GB65903@pcjas.obspm.fr> <4F9C75F9.9070907@dichotomia.fr> <20120430113910.GC74076@pcjas.obspm.fr> <4F9EAD87.2000005@dichotomia.fr> <20120502150626.GF99014@pcjas.obspm.fr> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUAAABYRlwJCw4FAgAIBwKprDkBAQFQLR0BAgCir7VRttp8AAACAUlEQVQ4jZWUTYvbMBCGTVl8V2hX6Gg5G5FbWQdBj0lEfE7BhN4cyzi5Wt1E5L70roWy6N92xok/skkP+5IYrMcz78xIduDWpNM3vFzuA/jX5EY1AI6KHFwW/CzFuQAwqUBbV12p+CzIh6Awq7sg33pn5D64SQXAexffeuQlA/L35RrkaB551OjGfP/cAO8mCNaDcgvfky5ijoD0pAXlCQCnljiAjsJD9Ax05Ko5sZxbnLQcmM+dZg5IjREfZrWIHK0JuwU68pAGwHvfRxBundRzTxxz3r9dNUikPsEihjz2Dc4kjp1hKsJGuot4EDxaxzMoC7XqhxhOSfZrTS6gSX1JVdjp+o1PvWfekXgw3WL0g70nDEwA0H0HQsEZc8sTmFMTkWUfYWC/vdR1zQy3xLQgLwzu90QnlnFLjeiGWBjwhb4Sa42IqOg2qqS4O1/zhKokFUb1Q8Rj4Eb69WVflXEehJ35DgChVTE5n50eaGyMLOfH8AOodoSM4PVYAQgQdBulOa+knklYks3vAuQ+uX492lTl+A+e8qBV2AKoXalVKFfyuUp0pUp1ARaUHh82lv9MN+Ig7CZtgE6FNYvjlywT2VP2dMgOG46gTIWcqdfvuwyXNz0oMJNd/N5lh1YNiJt19ADTUo3VuFSNeQwVqRSrGjSCp53fk2g+Mvfk/gfoPxHeUS8MH9vRAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/tiDAT800k6qvRr5aP0vI7=X"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl2G97I02/UPt/ZW4cNNnOQGE86HuQVyr+NCi+PKYIUNlArsQb0/7JryuzqVt43YaZgOtC0 Subject: Re: Performance and mouse problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 17:40:25 -0000 --Sig_/tiDAT800k6qvRr5aP0vI7=X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2 May 2012 13:19:05 -0400 (EDT) doug@safeport.com articulated: >On Wed, 2 May 2012, Warren Block wrote: > >> On Wed, 2 May 2012, Albert Shih wrote: >> >>> I think the problem is indeed comme from Xorg. >> >> Just to repeat: on this Gateway notebook, only one or the other of >> the touchpad or mouse would work until I enabled moused >> in /etc/rc.conf. Now either or both work, including when the USB >> mouse is connected after X starts. > >My experience corresponds with Warren's thoughts on this. I was >running the exact levels of software on an old Dell 800Mhz desktop and >new aDell laptop many many times faster, 4 cpu's etc, etc. HAL (which >is well named I think) did not work very well on the laptop and I >would lose the mouse and keyboard when I disabled the touchpad. On the >Desktop HAL worked fine. The laptop (keyboard and mouse anyway) works >fine without HAL. HAL is now deprecated on GNU/Linux systems. Why it is still being kept on life support in FreeBSD is the question that needs to be addressed. This didn't just happen yesterday either. We continue to bump version numbers yet fail to repair/replace crucial elements of the operating system. What is even better, depending on whose forum you choose to read, the problem is FreeBSD -- Linux -- Gnome -- KDE -- "The Cat in the Hat" (no one has blamed Microsoft for this fiasco as far as I know) yet the problem still exists. Since 2008, when HAL was being deprecated, no one has properly addressed the problem. Everyone plays the "blame game". --=20 Jerry =E2=99=94 Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. 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