From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 18:52:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4177416A496 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 18:52:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C14313C4AE for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 18:52:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 992A3A68; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:52:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:52:24 -0500 To: Andreas Klemm Message-ID: <20070529185224.GF8255@soaustin.net> References: <20070527215727.GD67158@lassie.student.utwente.nl> <20070528003710.GB13910@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20070528005004.GA45015@kobe.laptop> <20070528074747.GA81264@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> <20070528204919.GA10763@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20070529180342.GA6492@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070529180342.GA6492@titan.klemm.apsfilter.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:25:03 +0000 Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Marijn van Vliet , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Xorg 7.2 update X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:52:26 -0000 On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:03:42PM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > [kris] Sorry, but this complete failure of a bug report made me laugh. > > Save the time to laugh and better fix the bug, What kris was trying to point out is that messages of the form "it doesn't work" will not lead to anyone fixing the bug. Detailed logs and such things as make.conf and environment settings will. fwiw, there are not many more people than kris on the project who have fixed more bugs than he has. The work he has done on the past 2 months in regression-testing xorg, both from the pointyhat side and from the user side, has been exhaustive. So if he wants to be a little snippy with people who aren't willing to do some work themselves, well, ... > Next time I think twice when I see what crappy answers one gets on a > mailinglist. FreeBSD is a participatory development system: users have to help themselves. If after all the disclaimers and headsup messages people are still in too much of a hurry to e.g. use script(1) to do their upgrades and then report detailed results, there's not that much that anyone can do to help. (Note: I particularly want to thank the users who did exactly that; they've saved a lot of people from various troubles.) This particular upgrade process has produced a great deal of strain on the ports committers and our users. Almost everyone has been incredibly patient as we try to get all the issues sorted out. I can only ask everybody else to try to do the same. mcl