From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 18 14:46:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1F523BBDD; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:46:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-f193.google.com (mail-il1-f193.google.com [209.85.166.193]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48MNwb58dHz48Zw; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:46:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-f193.google.com with SMTP id v13so17531415iln.4; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 06:46:55 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=v9pbhOfUrY0FT6v3hgvZMJy10YWcyRjJZnu2UCwfbQ0=; b=Ham8h2mHEtYx/O1irJoCdxZW02REj2btwQjAe9LZYmuOdpG5uNfAsN+vix/Iaz+jzz X4gWo1d2jSd6dNLS5rt5VuQjujvwB5ogjWHdzsbDwZS85ffPG69m+Bxsav8P38azrRlq J07DrW4nd8I+QeDubKp3MBn/TJxA74zUF8IR7SLmYjM2X8R+QthXHALu7sZ1agSUSFHJ LUg0wRlvJqre7Oyt6fD2rXeu0/VuxLkT6k3Q1qjs/fGry2S+f3HZrzqmly21wzXfHEdj +er7Ahs/hNpgzhhJ+6e/kTBySBstL4TsAT54NLbJ+5Co+EhukFG7kBaNOjLHMe8RrjJ/ L6eQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXgdf9b0pgbk8s2YfLg4UU5pgZ3fGEud2X5Oui7fQLJ8R1qAUP3 +DLSsPYNhKojOpG8tSUw6TFPRsOcN/ABHndCiKkpbukH X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxwbFOQrypSyjjlKO9ojw3oY0H1FvV+g7eLJEuRtTqL66s8oD7eHQHWkE01Yv9LAMU1JauMZr7nO0eZJjJmGR0= X-Received: by 2002:a92:db4f:: with SMTP id w15mr18393106ilq.182.1582037214588; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 06:46:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: From: Ed Maste Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:46:44 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , FreeBSD Stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48MNwb58dHz48Zw X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.193 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[193.166.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-1.04)[ip: (-0.49), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.00), asn: 15169(-1.68), country: US(-0.05)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[193.166.85.209.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:46:56 -0000 On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 22:24, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > Why so short End-Of-Life? Why so many fast and short releases? What for? > > Why pushing problems to production? What was wrong with having one > well tested stable system for a long time? I really don't understand this - FreeBSD 12 is supported for 5 years. 12.0 was released at the end of 2018. I've heard many complaints that minor releases from stable branches are not frequent enough. > 12.0 was a problematic release. 12.1 brings even more problems. The major issue with 12.1 is a problem with the Intel graphics kernel module, and fixing that was held up by both 12.0 and 12.1 being supported. The problem will automatically resolve once 12.0 is no longer supported. (Yes, I wish we were able to address this issue in a way other than waiting for 12.0's EOL, but nobody in the FreeBSD development community was able to find the time to do so.)