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Date:      Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:46:34 +0930
From:      Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>
To:        John-Mark Gurney <gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu>
Cc:        Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net>
Subject:   Attitude problems? (was: cvs commit: src/tools/debugscripts README kgdb kld_deb.py)
Message-ID:  <20040810041634.GV44716@wantadilla.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <20040804201627.GA991@funkthat.com>
References:  <200408041803.i74I3hW3032824@repoman.freebsd.org> <20040804200237.GA9720@dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net> <20040804201627.GA991@funkthat.com>

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On Wednesday,  4 August 2004 at 13:16:27 -0700, John-Mark Gurney wrote:
> Marcel Moolenaar wrote this message on Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 13:02 -0700:
>>>   add a set of scripts that I posted to -current last year.  This makes
>
> [...]
>
>> They are mostly useless with gdb6, because support is already (partially)
>> in kgdb(1) and what is not there yet is already planned. I don't mind
>> that you commit these scripts, but the last sentence is crucial: it
>> means that there's more unfinished stuff in the repository that needs
>> attention to complete and thereby distracting attention away from where
>> it's really needed.  Your time would also be spent in a more focussed and
>> constructive way if you would have add some of the features to kgdb(1).
>
> Umm.. I did all the work a year ago... I didn't "waste" my time as
> you seem to imply since it only took three minutes or so to commit them..
>
> I don't have a problem having them removed once support in kgdb(1) (8?),
> has been completed...
>
> We probably spent more time typing these two messages than it took me
> to commit the scripts...
>
> It was requested of me to commit these the other day when I mentioned
> them to another committer (who I don't remeber right now).
>
>> If you want to help out, make sure you help doing things that need to
>> be done.
>
> Make sure you don't discourage people from working to improve
> FreeBSD.

Indeed.  Marcel, it would have been easy to tell John-Mark what kind
of work *would* be useful.  Although I suspect that what you're doing
is excellent and a great improvement on what we have (certainly on my
debug scripts), my interaction with you has left me wondering if I
care any more.

Greg
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