From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 09:50:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD4116A4CE; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:50:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.jazztel.es (smtp1.jazztel.es [62.14.3.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4C943D54; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:50:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es) Received: from antivirus by smtp1.jazztel.es with antivirus id 1CaA5m-0000YT-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:51:10 +0100 Received: from [212.106.254.37] (helo=rguez.homeunix.net) by smtp1.jazztel.es with esmtp id 1CaA5l-0000Xc-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:51:09 +0100 Received: from redesjm.local (orion.redesjm.local [192.168.254.16]) by rguez.homeunix.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB39oolD000818; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:50:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by redesjm.local (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB39oqiW001149; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:50:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) From: Jose M Rodriguez To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:50:50 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041201232052.GA35040@xor.obsecurity.org> <41AE5169.3000909@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AE5169.3000909@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412031050.52137.freebsd@redesjm.local> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter (version: 1.1; AVE: 6.28.0.19; VDF: 6.28.0.103; host: antares.redesjm.local) X-Virus-Scanned: by antivirus cc: Ryan Sommers cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:50:54 -0000 El Jueves, 2 de Diciembre de 2004 00:19, Scott Long escribi=F3: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 04:10:57PM -0700, Ryan Sommers wrote: > >>Another issue I had with the dfly installer was one point I believe > >> needs to be central to any next-gen installer. > >> Internationalisation. > > > > Careful not to pile on so many wishes that achieving anything > > becomes impossible. Our current installer doesn't do this, so it's > > not a hard requirement that a better installer should. > > > > Kris > > Internationalization is actually quite important, and is not easy to > bolt on after the fact but is fairly easy to program to once the core > is in place. The fact that sysinstall doesn't have it makes it no > less important. Now this isn't a reason to reject the DFly work, but > it could certainly be a good area for someone to contribute. > > Scott > Sure. I can confirm this. But this issue must be take with care. 1.- This is an overall effort that, IMHO, must begin with a real i18n=20 ports work. Actual ports doesn't have a well defined i18n behavior. 2.- this covers several unrelated issues: - i18n, lang related issues. iso8859-1, unicode, arabic ... - l10n, locale related issues (country specific). - base system oper (try hack arround loader with a foreing keyboard). About the base system, I have really bad experiences with i18n/locale=20 support in boot/system works. This must be a low priority task. But I'll be really glad to see some basic foreing keyboard/console=20 support in boot/loader as: boot> keyb sp =2D- josemi