From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 14 15:07:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C0337B401 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10107.mail.yahoo.com (web10107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CCC643FCB for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:07:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from twigles@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030814220740.28924.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.5.49.41] by web10107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:07:40 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:07:40 -0700 (PDT) From: twig les To: "Devon H. O'Dell" , 'Robert Watson' In-Reply-To: <000401c362a3$bb64c2c0$9f8d2ed5@internal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Certification (was RE: realpath(3) et al) - jumping to -advocacy X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:07:41 -0000 Cool, I don't need to own the domain. I just think that right now the state of things is that FreeBSD is the best-kept secret around because Linux is taking market share from everyone - hell, my *dad* knows about Linux and he's one of those users from "Evil Geniuses". There is a nice article in businessweek talking about Sun's dilemna here: http://yahoo.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2003/tc20030812_9215_tc055.htm. A lot of people ask me why I use (or suggest) FreeBSD instead of Linux and I tell them that I only use or recommend FreeBSD when I need something to be fast, secure and/or stable. :) The idea is that the underlying engineering is done, now we need to push it to da' masses. I also agree with mhoskins, I don't want FreeBSD to turn into RH; RH seems to be trying to replace the knowledgable admin with GUIs and "help" files. --- "Devon H. O'Dell" wrote: > Likewise, I am registering bsdportal.org (so none of you take > it :P) where I > will write some stuff. A taste of some of it is already in my > /. journal, > for the time being (http://slashdot.org/~dodell/journal, for > what it's > worth). I'd really like to see this certification go through > but, as I've > stated multiple times already, I'd like to see a project > sincerely devoted > to getting these funs raised. I am (at the moment) a "systems > and network > engineer" by title, but have extensive knowledge of backend > server > development (although you'd probably only know me about PHP) > in many > languages. I'd love to contribute any time and effort I have > available to > the advancement of this project. > > PLEASE let me know how I can help out. > > --Devon > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd- > > advocacy@freebsd.org] Namens twig les > > Verzonden: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:15 PM > > Aan: Robert Watson > > CC: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > > Onderwerp: Re: Certification (was RE: realpath(3) et al) - > jumping to - > > advocacy > > > > I think a nice website to have would be one devoted to using > > FreeBSD as a drop-in replacement for Solaris, i.e. in a > > corporate environment. Speaking of PR certifications, I'm > busy > > for the next month renewing my CISSP but after that I will > look > > at registering a domain like "CorporateBSD.com" or > something. > > Since I'm a lousy developer, this will alleviate my guilt > for > > not contributing code. The basic idea is to either host or > link > > to tons of how-tos that address corporate concerns like > patch > > roll-outs and hot-spares. > > > > --- Robert Watson wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, twig les wrote: > > > > > > > I am CC'ing -advocacy on this so we can officially move > this > > > thread over > > > > (bc getting chastised hurts my inner-child). Please > don't > > > CC -security > > > > anymore, although I am in no position whatsoever to > enforce > > > this > > > > request. Now, to the topic... > > > > > > I certainly didn't mean to chastise :-). I was just > saying > > > that > > > certifications are odd things -- they have value in > strange > > > ways. My main > > > concern was that people seemed to think it had value from > a > > > practical > > > security implementation perspective -- I'm not sure that > it > > > does. It's > > > value is entirely in market, PR, et al, and I agree that > there > > > is > > > substantial value to be had there, if approached the right > > > way. > > > > > > > A large company that has a roll-out hardware/software > > > package. This > > > > includes support. I *know* that it is easy to > patch/make > > > world, but the > > > > number of "computer engineers" that have never heard of > SSH > > > is > > > > astounding. Management needs a 3rd-party to bitch about > and > > > know will > > > > still be around in 5 years. > > > > > > > > A console port on the hardware platform. Have you ever > > > tried sending > > > > management to the pcweasel web site? > > > > > > > > As silly as it sounds (and I understand how silly it > > > sounds), a > > > > certification like the Red Hack one would help. I > apologize > > > profusely > > > > for saying that. > > > > > > > > I'm sure I'm missing a lot but if we want a corporate > > > sponsor like my > > > > massive mother company (which rhymes with AT&C) then it > > > seems like we > > > > need different medium companies pushing FreeBSD instead > of > > > redhat as a > > > > packaged solution. > > > > > > I agree with these conclusions entirely. RedHat plays a > > > valuable role in > > > the Linux world in a variety of ways, and one of the most > > > important is to > > > provide the kind of support and legitimacy presence that > many > > > large > > > companies are looking for. Having one for the FreeBSD > world > > > would > > > certainly provide a lot of swing for FreeBSD. It would > also > > > change the > > > dynamic of the FreeBSD Project substantially, I expect, > but it > > > would be > > > hard to predict too much how. I think that many people > hoped > > > that BSDi > > > could play this role for FreeBSD, but obviously that > didn't > > > work out :-). > > > > > > So, if you know of a small company that wants to get > bigger, > > > and wants to > > > give a spin at promoting FreeBSD in this manner (and > making > > > money off it > > > in a sustainable way), I would encourage you to encourage > > > them. I'm sure > > > there are a fair number of FreeBSD developers who would > like > > > to work for > > > such a company, if they thought it was viable. > > > > > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, > TrustedBSD > > > Projects > > > robert@fledge.watson.org Network Associates > Laboratories > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Emo is what happens when the glee club goes punk. > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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