From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 10 10:26:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9D114FD8 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA27113; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:26:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PRs for FreeBSD's meme complex In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990910100243.047a0210@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Brett Glass wrote: > When one raises serious but difficult questions, it naturally causes > some stress. But the questions DO need to be addressed. Think of my > messages as PRs for FreeBSD's "meme complex" -- that is, for advocacy, > marketing, culture, and other aspects of FreeBSD that don't consist > solely of code and documentation. Its not your questions but your manner of discussing them in a conversation that is lacking. > >I think you'd find that more people would be interested in what you have > >to say if you tried correcting the flaws in your communication skills, > > I think you're confusing the message with the messenger. I don't > believe that my communications skills are flawed at all; written > communication is one of the things I do for a living, and my work is > generally well regarded. If you do not agree with some of the opinions > I express, or feel uncomfortable discussing some of the topics I've > brought up, it does not mean that there's anything wrong with the way > I communicate. In this case, the messenger (you) is making it difficult to discuss the message. > >A review of the rules governing the varieties of formal debate might be > >useful as well. > > Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, mailing lists are not subject to > rules of formal debate. Certainly, I've had many ad hominem remarks > lobbed at me -- including the message to which this is a response -- > which would be out of line in such a debate. "He did it first!" I'm talking about your inability to not go tangential the moment someone directly confronts one of your arguements. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message