From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 13 06:05:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A02BE6BD9 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 06:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46V4qX5tK7z4CHt for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 06:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.234.134]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mg6uW-1ibwFG1uus-00hh16; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:05:00 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:04:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: John Howie Cc: Jim Trigg , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: A modest hier proposal Message-Id: <20190913080458.5372f86e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <0B94A4D1-F767-4C1F-A1AA-DF37FCF1BEE3@thehowies.com> References: <20190913071606.00aa3d63.freebsd@edvax.de> <0B94A4D1-F767-4C1F-A1AA-DF37FCF1BEE3@thehowies.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:bxdcVI8FrM/hQxQzzkaxLT9WMXboChpD5IEkdfo6gkGswl5Ghl8 bk0Mo9uiaUlnogWSUPL/8qolziG6WTXwBqMsnI/K3ovgyxVl0e9vApUXeqMTQjzXRX8xuo2 I7VMdwMM1a7LMA6ARhC7o4HLFCpVgQRHlps4ONkkAYpxW8DfqKcqUu0rFKxQcv98yGjCtaF LrZt/PG8A0PinPMuymPuA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:M/1D4MyyCSg=:DevjsKCuzx98kscv9I8SaI yEy+40HtcfdKdpA7tkLJfpFpcsPy8Tvc/wCSfg4n8d6YPYTrJdDRZa6ZZHX3w0VIztG4F9GL9 Px7jvKCLYtkN75ErxLWk6FZpoN/uaHUtDs+2xhyfHFsc3S/shzrXVEzpYl/uPAFTLLNv3hDRU g2OX8MOQdyYMRKyfi0Cdy5uPPf9i6f5JzNLlFo3uCEMIRIOebHbuN0bfVjDBo1WFbutNGbv5n 7rvANT5hdowoounyqnAQf/oWJJtuWbD9KnBmt+aZG24HJrQ4BXA1ZYn8cYWLMkG2U+ZtNijKQ X8iBpGhRMX5q0m6qSiaudruRGTEVGGUEBOU94/8yekajo3m3wxMsHXUfqN9lns+xI2VF8K0Q5 +swv/ZAqjJBRwAcRSmdRjKYd8pnb5TV+F3JDyOcpLKY0JtsCxYhybE/Pfm5jXWusy5J6Nxrsw 95SaF2fXC9tzH6bhmQif5KvLoyur657ge6CbnUIOeV0d/qfeDit9WsPxvx8xHpNbj6/gfTBwf XrRCEaGwBcyR7SI3OJA0AUeBMZsqjB20MR2wrtBv4EQFPSaPSJf7QD4aAconiFyteUFuy4Teh 6OhQ+WjDaI/ZDZo3cIgHVepufDlCZESr1r/xuL9Wsm+OfJ4xLjWRUUtTb5CP2GEqJLC+/VO/7 nN31Xoptmi7XJ7f8+ozRYRAqYDg47D85dqPyEYj7LYJBwIa7WiVrCAjcv9k7z1FiUojDpgW6s MDF8soTysOrXHObwcO3e9Un0z+B4RgEW+Y4A1XUXpnnnNXwywuK3kckE5Mq3c3nTxtimuFS+Q AHwG6rMaglPgozpF1ZUPpA/8OHb8BmfPVqhF7P9pM1/hAnYAZNN+8LGOi5KjolD2hhO2CwLzU ftu1X59LbWWBSNkkRIjHbZ7FgCrkYPTlnBM0RStjw= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46V4qX5tK7z4CHt X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.10) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.67 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[134.234.5.178.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.03)[0.025,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.29)[0.294,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[10.17.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-0.05)[ip: (-1.02), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.37), asn: 8560(2.15), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 06:05:14 -0000 On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:32:54 +0000, John Howie wrote: > I am all for merging /bin, /lib, /etc. with their /usr counterparts. > The separation was more about disk speeds, not disk size. You put the > most-used executables and files on / which was your fastest disk, and > everything else on other, slower disks. DIsk size and disk speed were related: The smaller the disk, the lower seek times. So of course disks were spped mattered were usually the system disks. Typical (early) installations of UNIX contained at least two disk units, sometimes of same type, sometimes not, and in such cases, the fastest disk was preferred as the system disk. > I do not even recall when /lib, /libexec, etc. made an appearance > in *BSD, and /sbin is relatively-speaking new, too, but all are not > “original”. Yes, I think that was a later invention, maybe not even in UNIX, but in BSD that derived from it... > That fact alone means we can and should adapt rather than burying > ourselves in pseudo-historical orthodoxy. I'm confident that simplification can be done, but as it has already been mentioned: for what "price" (work, time), and with what "plan" (how to change, expected problems and solutions), and of course if this _currently_ is a priority or not. Consistency and predictability should not be sacrificed on the altar of /allstuff. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...