From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 15 21:30:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AC316A405 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:30:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duane@dwlabs.ca) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DABB13C48C for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:30:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from duane@dwlabs.ca) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.10]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JI300FXZQEPQSW0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:30:25 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-224-199-230.eastlink.ca (HELO dwpc.dwlabs.ca) ([24.224.199.230]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with ESMTP; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:30:01 -0300 Received: from dwpc.dwlabs.ca (ftp.dwlabs.ca [192.168.0.10]) by dwpc.dwlabs.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4FLUQAY024460; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:30:32 -0300 (ADT envelope-from duane@dwpc.dwlabs.ca) Received: (from duane@localhost) by dwpc.dwlabs.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l4FLUQo9024459; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:30:26 -0300 (ADT envelope-from duane) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:30:26 -0300 From: Duane Whitty In-reply-to: <464969B3.3050306@u.washington.edu> To: Garrett Cooper Message-id: <20070515213026.GI1017@dwpc.dwlabs.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAL3CSUYY4MfmdGdsb2JhbACQCTc X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,538,1170648000"; d="scan'208"; a="186054816:sNHT33867171" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.6/3247/Tue May 15 08:31:00 2007 on dwpc.dwlabs.ca X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 (2006-07-25) on dwpc.dwlabs.ca References: <20070513040651.GB1017@dwpc.dwlabs.ca> <4647F627.7020408@u.washington.edu> <20070514202922.GF1017@dwpc.dwlabs.ca> <4649426F.8050601@u.washington.edu> <1179214317.1791.38.camel@zoot.mintel.co.uk> <464969B3.3050306@u.washington.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.4 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SoC X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:30:26 -0000 On Tuesday, 15 May 2007 at 1:05:07 -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > Tom Evans wrote: > >On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 22:17 -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > >>Ruby's nice, but it's built on Perl so I have suspicions on its overall > >>usability / speed given my experience with Perl over the past 4 months > >>daily for work :(.. Ruby's just the new big thing for programming > >>languages, so everyone's into it. Kind of like how Java was compared to > >>C/C++ a few years back. But once everything dies down people will > >>realize that they'll still have to program in C/C++/Perl for real-world > >>applications. > >> > >>Python seems better than Ruby from what I can see, but I really don't > >>like the mandatory indentation thing. Ew.. > >> > > > >Rubies are better Perls. That's the only connection between the two. One > >day, a Japanese programmer got fed up with Perl, and wrote a better > >language (for varying meanings of better). > > > >Its not based or built on Perl in any respect. > > > >Python and Ruby both have the same targets; to speed development time > >and increase programmer productivity. > > But one must make a Perl before one can make a Ruby. Maybe that was what > I was trying to aim for. > > Ruby's nice, but it seems like it's going to be a bit passe in a few > years like Java was for compilable / interpretable languages. > > -Garrett > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" None of this matters My only point is that if you need something quick to explore the format of pkgdb.db or INDEX.db you are pretty well assured of finding a tool you can work with; Perl, Python, or Ruby. If these aren't sufficient use C. The pkg_* tools are written in C so in C they will be modified; but no harm in doing initial exploration and prototyping with something else. Let's stay focused! Duane