From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 4 10: 9:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C19153FE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:09:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id NAA28696 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 13:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA20180 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:56:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199906041656.MAA20180@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Routers and such In-Reply-To: <199906041632.MAA05475@etinc.com> from Dennis at "Jun 4, 1999 11:28:54 am" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 12:56:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dennis recently said: > At 10:03 AM 6/4/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Mike Tancsa recently said: > > > >> At 11:02 PM 6/3/99 , Bruce Campbell wrote: > >> > >> >On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Mike Tancsa wrote: > >> >mike> >Rest assured that FreeBSD will handle your needs for some > >> >mike> >time to come. > >> >mike> > >> >mike> I think the major place where FreeBSD falls down in terms > >> >mike> of routing is software. Although gateD does the job, you > >> >mike> dont nearly have the same features as you would with a > >> >mike> higher end Cisco. > >> >If you want an expensive reliable black box with a few blinking > >> >lights, buy a Cisco. ... > >> >If you're serious about shifting data, get a serious router. > >> >Anything with moving parts is not 'serious' enough. > >> Depends how much you want to move, and how much you want to spend, > >> and what sort of knowledge base you have to draw on. $2K for a > >> pair of PEECEE routers, v.s. $20K, and then service contracts, .... > >Well I have a few Cicso's - only 1 had a service contract on it - > >to get the new ROMS upgrade - an older 2501. The other 2501/7/11's > >are not under contract, and were purchased used. ... > >Used market Cicso's are decent bargains - check the industrial type > >mags for those who sell them. Depending on levels you may not need > >the latest IOS. > Perhaps, but that box is about $7K on a PII-400, and the vast > majority of people dont need the "extra features". Cisco also has > "features" like disfunctional mtus, blubbering PPP protocols and > they pig out woefully when you run bandwidth management. Far from > perfect, and bgp4 on gated runs just fine. No perhaps - they really are great bargains. I was commenting on the expensive hardware needed - and used is reasonable. If you don't need the horsepower or expandability of the big iron, it's foolish to buy it. The bigger things are expandable, and at least count I had about 8 outbound T1s. In July we are probably going to be setting up a 850 node network for a client for ONE WEEK. I can envision using at least 6 of the ethernet ports to do that and keep things isolated to some degree. Used equipment is good. More power than you need is not good. The problem with a statement like "the vast majority" is who makes up this 'vast majority'. I suspect those will be different people based on individual perceptions. -- bv@wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message