From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 15:09:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86011106564A; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:09:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D998FC1C; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (66.111.2.69.static.nyinternet.net [66.111.2.69]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1162B46B49; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (smtp.hudson-trading.com [209.249.190.9]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3147A8A009; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:09:04 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 07:52:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/7.3-CBSD-20101102; KDE/4.4.5; amd64; ; ) References: <20110105132155.GO23329@acme.spoerlein.net> <20110105194748.GS23329@acme.spoerlein.net> <4D250159.30108@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <4D250159.30108@quip.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201101060752.32539.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:09:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.3 at bigwig.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.2 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on bigwig.baldwin.cx Cc: Ulrich, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, "Julian H. Stacey" , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC regarding usage of ISO 8601 throughout the tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:09:05 -0000 On Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:40:09 pm Miroslav Lachman wrote: > Ulrich Sp=F6rlein wrote: > > On Wed, 05.01.2011 at 19:00:31 +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >> Ulrich =3D?utf-8?B?U3DDtnJsZWlu?=3D wrote: > >>> !ACHTUNG BIKESHED ALERT! > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> With the recent changes to the committer graphs, I again was reminded > >>> how much I hate the YYYY/MM/DD format (I can't help it ...). Given th= at > >> > >> I guess& hope you mean you like linear decreasing order but > >> dislike '/' as a delimeter& want to swap from '/' to '-' as in ISO ? > > > > Exactly. > > > >>> this almost looks like ISO 8601, but is an unreadable variant of it, I > >>> would like to aggressively change this throughout the tree. > >>> > >>> I'd like to start with minor stuff like share/misc/*.dot. Then probab= ly > >>> src/UPDATING, and ports/UPDATING after I've identified the consumers = of > >>> these docs. > >> > >> Do you mean you would like to swap eg src/UPDATING 20100720 to eg > >> 2010-07-20 ? That would be more readable. > > > > Yes, I think for lists of dates like in UPDATING or automatically > > generated date output like syslogd, the ISO8601 format only has > > advantages. >=20 > I am using ISO8601 date + time format for years in my scripts, logs=20 > etc., so it would be nice to have it on all places of FreeBSD as a=20 > standard format. > I think 2010-07-20 is really readable than 20100720 or 2010/07/20 and=20 > "2011-01-06 00:03:50" is better than "Jan 6 00:03:50" (in logs) Changing the format of syslog messages is guaranteed to break ${INFINITY}=20 scripts and other log parsing tools. I think that is too large of a POLA=20 violation to justify. I also don't find the format used in UPDATING that hard to read as I use it= on=20 an almost daily basis myself. Given that the format in UPDATING is already= =20 compliant, this mostly seems to be a gratuitous change. =2D-=20 John Baldwin