From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 25 00:54:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182A1106567A; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 00:54:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C2D8FC1D; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 00:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so2373810yxl.13 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:54:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ds2R+XmS2F1Onu1fkjmdnLRBAA+I6GHz4KjMkZz6ZRc=; b=w08BjAEpTvdDHoXVCP4JFIDtPiBmW/FmzwjDqr0YnQP0o2eTxlIaQpM1IffptlJRJV fVgZ28MsAt1m11dsNcV78XoREgFav+5RcWuF5iMSrh31lbz7jQuD60qthv0Jaf4VwEL5 3FEUodfTaRNYG3gXeDHEt+V/CQUmxvf3zj9dk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.74.3 with SMTP id w3mr3866608yba.329.1311555277014; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.197.5 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:54:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E2CB4AC.3070403@orange.fr> References: <20110724162937.33865zm0kn4ztdwk@econet.encontacto.net> <4E2C8FBE.7040003@freebsd.org> <4E2CB4AC.3070403@orange.fr> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:54:36 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SMzopNCcK7f0AeB0__D7VrMIEAo Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Claude Buisson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current , Nathan Whitehorn Subject: Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 00:54:38 -0000 .. wait, the install-off-USB doesn't default to a read-only boot? Adrian On 25 July 2011 08:11, Claude Buisson wrote: > On 07/24/2011 23:33, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >> >> On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: >>> >>> I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not >>> payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0 >>> and never really had a problem with understanding the installation >>> program. =A0There is always a first time, I guess. >>> >>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/201105/ >>> >>> When booting I seem to get a screen that makes me remember installer >>> screens of the 1980s. =A0(They were not exactly intuitive.) >>> >>> I somehow got the idea that the new installer was graphic. =A0Maybe >>> something like PCBsd that is not bad at all. =A0I use it on all our >>> employees computers. =A0Actually, after seeing this, I would love to >>> have the old installer back. =A0Is their an option for that? >>> >>> Does this new ASCII installer have a "how to" with a bit of >>> information on the flow of the installation. >>> >>> Thanks, >> >> Can you please describe what you didn't like about it, and what you >> would prefer be changed? "Reminiscent of the 1980s" is not really >> helpful, especially given that the new installer in fact looks very much >> like sysinstall, which you seemed to like. >> -Nathan > > Recently I installed a system from the "official" memory stick May snapsh= ot > (FreeBSD-9.0-CURRENT-201105-amd64-memstick.img). here are a few remarks: > > - the 1st thing I need to do is to configure the keyboard, as I am not in > the > US. This is needed for an install, but also for using it as a live system= . > And > the keyboard configuration dialog is only a part of the installation > procedure. > > - the partition tool is too simple/rudimentary, compared to the old > sysinstall > dialog. I always want to have a total control of the partitions e.g. to h= ave > a > proper alignement. So one must use the shell escape or the live system, > which is > a regression. > > - extracting the tarballs lead to (cryptic) errors: I discovered the hard > way > that I needed to execute a newfs. > > - I followed a succession of screens asking me to do the usual configurat= ion > steps (hostname, clock, network - IPv4 only ?? -, users) and at the end I > get > back a screen asking me if a wanted to do the steps I had done just > before... > > - booting the installed system, I found that the hostname disappeared, th= e > keyboard was not configured, nor the network, and so on > > - during the whole process the screen was scrambled by the occurence of a > number > of LORs displayed on top of the dialogs/messages of the installer. > > - the file system of the installer/live system seems to be too small, > leading to > a number of "system full" messages as soon a few files are written to it. > > So the sole value added of the installer was the extraction of the > tarballs.. > > It seems that (on a memory stick which is writable) that every aborted > attempt > to do a configuration step leaves a "trace" in some files used by the > installer, > which is able to show it (e.g. the hostname) at the following attempts, b= ut > without garantee that it will effectively be used. > > (On the other hand, the advantage of the memory stick is that the system = on > it > can be configured at will) > > Referring to a thread I found recently a propos the documentation on the > install > media, I also want to say that a proper installer must be able to do its > work > without any Internet connectivity. There exist systems which are not > connected, > and networks without any communication with the Internet. > > Claude Buisson > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >