From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Mar 5 06:40:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94F1F35B69; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 06:40:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from franco@lastsummer.de) Received: from host64.shmhost.net (host64.shmhost.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:a0:51d7::103:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67FC585FB6; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 06:40:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from franco@lastsummer.de) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:25:233:448b:17ce:95ca:50a4] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:25:233:448b:17ce:95ca:50a4]) by host64.shmhost.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5ABEB165097; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 07:40:49 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem From: Franco Fichtner In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 07:40:48 +0100 Cc: John Darrah , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <534485E2-7E07-4438-AD04-B4D9D1F90978@lastsummer.de> References: To: Jeff Roberson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.3 at host64.shmhost.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 06:40:51 -0000 Hi there, > On 4. Mar 2018, at 10:02 PM, Jeff Roberson = wrote: >=20 > First of all this is really not an appropriate forum for this = discussion. Nobody discusses it elsewhere. "Decisions" are made between closed = doors. How anyone would think this doesn't blow up later is at least = unreasonable. > There is a lot of catastrophizing going on in the dialog, especially = that on third party sites and among non-committers. This is where the project friction is at. In a perfect world you don't need users, external contributors and fresh ideas to keep a project = moving forward, but we are not in a perfect world. I personally find it silly to keep begging for 6 years for someone to = commit something. It has gotten to a point where I'd rather not bother to = contribute because working around issues is less time-consuming. In community management terms, that's a major flaw. > I would urge everyone to be calm and patient. This is an important = dialog and it's bound to be bumpy. I also strongly urge people to = refrain from discussing it further on technical lists where it is = counter productive and unwelcome. So you are saying "shut up" and be patient like we've never been patient = in the last couple of years? That's bold, but unfortunately also = consistent MO. Cheers, Franco=