From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 4 11:55:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD0E37B400 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from directvinternet.com (dsl-65-185-140-165.telocity.com [65.185.140.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E45743E6A for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:55:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from Tolstoy.home.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by directvinternet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84ItIGd075003; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:55:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from localhost (nwestfal@localhost) by Tolstoy.home.lan (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g84ItGYw074991; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:55:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Tolstoy.home.lan: nwestfal owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" X-X-Sender: nwestfal@Tolstoy.home.lan To: Terry Lambert Cc: Dave Hayes , Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-Reply-To: <3D75712A.E383C304@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020904114318.Y88455-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > > You guys are quite amusing to read! The only thing you can agree > > on is your anemic prejudices against theology. > > I don't personally know if there is a God or not. While it may be possible to claim agnosticism regarding *a* god, it is impossible to claim agnosticism with regard to the Biblical God, since this Biblical God makes the claim that all men know Him. (Romans 1 again) To claim not to know Him is to deny Him. > Barring evidence one way or the other, the choice between any > two competing hypothesis must be made on the basis of which of > the two is simpler. Of course, people have different conceptions of what constitutes "simpler", which introduces an ineradicable element of subjectivity to Ockham's razor. > You seem to believe that the making of this choice constitutes > evidence of belief (or disbelief). Without supplying some supporting criteria, Ockham's razor is just silly. Anybody with a axe to grind can claim that their views are "simpler." Neal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message