From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 8 13:53:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BD71065672; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:53:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de (mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de [217.11.53.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C788FC22; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (pD9E2CF7F.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.207.127]) by mail.ebusiness-leidinger.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65F5D8442CF; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:53:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.leidinger.net [192.168.1.102]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664465074; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:53:10 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=Leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1270734790; bh=ofIeURU8Tk1u16OOkOWKx6VzaqkL7Mkpwus1Q9/7JoI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fPoE8Gv48nA15QlvunY/Z/jrcOezGzk5gLY1Bl4ZevZ8sT08W+Y0CnjE3677S7vk+ 6xALQu2Dx4O2Zi13STw3lzidrwiNLt1Fl8FYEMiPYg+gIi2mVn76Ny2RNzFVoB6zxy c8VBRSD/SyKVt6u03YSjXekZAJKrr3yEGYTT3NN/1Q19mWh43YlNuj6sWNx0/XP//o mKKf2R8wwEnplU7wetFrT6hveGkltZTEYoA9CkSQB8sPy0iz+u9nDIv/hvfmYs0S0Y 9LeamIf4uwAhXEKsXxX0c0T1fcmER3cQdQQ+Wxdt/GNdroMXdeS6KleUeFck3UTY49 grrp47Tv6sFtg== Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.14.3/8.13.8/Submit) id o38Dr9Qa037083; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:53:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:53:09 +0200 Message-ID: <20100408155309.42884l21ogy7m7sw@webmail.leidinger.net> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:53:09 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Dag-Erling =?utf-8?b?U23Dg8K4cmdyYXY=?= References: <55861270658151@web135.yandex.ru> <4BBD68DB.7050600@yandex.ru> <201004080727.21020.bruce@cran.org.uk> <4BBD7CDC.2070505@yandex.ru> <20100408103809.13496s9i6ny03ocg@webmail.leidinger.net> <867hoi8gbl.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20100408121500.13995d1eu7b9bt0k@webmail.leidinger.net> <86fx36up9e.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86fx36up9e.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Dynamic Internet Messaging Program (DIMP) H3 (1.1.4) X-EBL-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-EBL-MailScanner-ID: 65F5D8442CF.12F7D X-EBL-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-EBL-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, spamhaus-ZEN, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.44, required 6, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44, DKIM_SIGNED 0.00, DKIM_VERIFIED -0.00) X-EBL-MailScanner-From: alexander@leidinger.net X-EBL-MailScanner-Watermark: 1271339594.6354@8RWDoP8L3F1XA4vV1f1WTA X-EBL-Spam-Status: No Cc: Bruce Cran , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-geom@FreeBSD.ORG, Teske , Randi Harper , "Andrey V. Elsukov" , Devin@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] Rewriting sade(8) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 13:53:20 -0000 Quoting Dag-Erling Sm=C3=83=C2=B8rgrav (from Thu, 08 Apr 2010 = =20 14:01:33 +0200): > Alexander Leidinger writes: >> I think this is more complicated than to refactor the interesting part >> into a backend with an API which both tools can use. This would also >> allow someone to write a GUI program (e.g. for PC-BSD). > > There have been at least three or four attempts to do this in the past. > One of them was even fully funded by the FreeBSD Foundation. They all > failed. I was told a lot of people tried to make the WITH_CTF part working =20 without the need to use -DWITH_CTF each time at the command line and =20 failed. Nevertless I did it. So telling something is not possible =20 because other people tried and failed is ridiculous. If there is no =20 proof that it can not be done, I'm sure someone exists who is able to =20 do it. I stand by my words and still say that it is less complicated to put =20 the logic into a backend-lib. If Andrey has problems to do this, I'm =20 willing to invest some time to mentor him in this regard. BTW: I do not think you talk about a partition editor, but about the =20 complete sysinstall. This is a different beast than only the part =20 which I outlined above. Andrey has already some working stuff which =20 just needs to be refactored into frontend/backend-lib parts. Bye, Alexander. --=20 UNIX is many things to many people, but it's never been everything to anybody. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID =3D B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID =3D 72077137