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Date:      Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:37:46 +0200
From:      Vallo Kallaste <kalts@estpak.ee>
To:        Scott Mitchell <scott+freebsd@fishballoon.org>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Strange crash, possibly vinum-related
Message-ID:  <20030317163746.GA3584@kevad.internal>
In-Reply-To: <20030317121932.GA23991@tuatara.fishballoon.org>
References:  <20030310231532.GD522@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317105828.GA23237@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317115752.GA2250@kevad.internal> <20030317121932.GA23991@tuatara.fishballoon.org>

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On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:19:32PM +0000, Scott Mitchell
<scott+freebsd@fishballoon.org> wrote:

> Thanks -- you've confirmed what I suspected, that I could have avoided the
> problems I saw by being a bit more cautious.  My bad.
> 
> Out of interest though, why do you advise not putting critical data on a
> Vinum R5 volume?  This one has been running fine for ~2 years under
> reasonable loads.  The disk failure was the first time it's required any
> attention at all, and it seems the problems I had with that were mostly of
> my own making.  The mailing lists don't seem to be overrun with people
> complaining that 'Vinum ate my files' :-)

Because RAID5 main features are to increase data redundancy _and_
data availability. As you have discovered, it runs until it fails
and then you'll have a hard time recovering it. Recovery is the most
important (and difficult) part of it. When it fails to recover from
the disk loss, what it's worth, then? The 2 years of uninterrupted
service doesn't matter when it happens. Your data is unavailable and
services down. Critical data is, by definition, critical :) I did
put lots of data onto Vinum R5, because I did know that a day of
downtime per half a year isn't problem. Recovery on the quiet
(unmounted) volume did work and all was well. But for critical data
I don't trust it (yet). Just my point of view.
-- 

Vallo Kallaste

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