From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Aug 23 09:48:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09757 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09740 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA15888; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:30:32 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199608231630.JAA15888@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: JDK 1.02 To: didier@omnix.fr.org Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:30:31 -0700 (MST) Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, imp@village.org, chuckr@glue.umd.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "didier@omnix.fr.org" at Aug 23, 96 09:23:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I dont like sun's attitude but I think that's impossible to ignore java. > there are probably many possibilities but I'm not sure of the right one > > there are several questions > > - is kaffe able to totally replace the native java ? > (I heard many horrible about kaffe) It is incomplete and not productized. I think everything horrible falls into that category. I didn't like the Kaffe license, actually, so I have played with real JAVA instead. > - is it possible to write a x86 solaris emulator for FreeBSD ? Yes. It's also something that's lacking resources right now. There are copies of x86 Solaris available for ~$200 on the workstation "forsale" group. Student copies are cheaper than that, I thought. It just needs someone to do the work. > - are there any possibilities to only distributes the patch to the original > source file for java (with no line of the original sdk file in the diffs) Unlikely. It would probably be classed as a derivative work; even if it were not, it would still take getting Sun to license you to get something to apply the patch to. > > Sun is no longer 'open' about Java now that they've got enough mindshare > > to keep momentum going. It's a pretty cheap way of doing business by > > first promising openness and then renigging on it, but it's only too > > common in business nowadays. I haven't seen this, but if true, it won't last. Mindshare is inversely proportional to proprietership. Look at the UNIX successes: TCP/IP, X, etc.. All of them are from freely available technology that the vendors could standardize without licensing fees or "baseball card" trading (cross-licensing to get into a clique, a favorite of the UNIX market in the past). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.