From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 12 17:36:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lab.cyberlifelabs.com (lab.cyberlifelabs.com [208.201.255.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15AE137B401 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 77324 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 00:36:14 -0000 Received: from linny.lab.cyberlifelabs.com (HELO there) (208.201.255.8) by lab.cyberlifelabs.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 00:36:14 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Milo Hyson To: Bill Moran , Help Victims , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Helping victims of terror Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:36:01 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <20010912215547.98067.qmail@web20806.mail.yahoo.com> <20010912225151.58FCD37B40B@hub.freebsd.org> <01091219512600.11358@proxy.the-i-pa.com> In-Reply-To: <01091219512600.11358@proxy.the-i-pa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20010913003615.15AE137B401@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday 12 September 2001 04:51 pm, Bill Moran wrote: > Basically, I'm confused as to what your point is? My point is that we're no different from the people seen celebrating the destruction of the WTC. We celebrate the destruction of their landmarks just as they're celebrating this one. > Basically, I see it this way. Violence is a sign of immaturity. There are > a LOT of immature people in this world. President Bush appears to be > intent on proving to the world just how immature the United States is > by rewarding violence with more violence. I hope the world grows up > before it destroys itself. Read your history, WW I took far less violence > than this to start. We're travelling down a familiar road right now, and > the street signs say WW III. Complete agreement here. I spent many years living in an international community in Asia. I hung out with people from dozens of different countries. Each had their own beliefs, culture and ideals. However, none of that mattered. We were all just trying to make a living. It didn't matter whether you believed in the Christian god, Buddah, the Goddess of the Moon or nothing. Most people in the world could care less about such things. One thing I did learn from that experience is that the United States looks MUCH different from the outside. In this country we're raised to believe that America is #1 and that anything foreign is worthless crap, be it products, ideas or people. However, people in other countries see through all that. They see us for what we really are -- a bunch of spoiled, arrogant pricks who get upset at the thought of other parts of the world being different than us. I see all of these people on TV saying that they can't believe something like this could happen here. Why not? It happens in other countries. Why not here? What's so special about the US? Are we a country of super-beings? Do we have a force field around the country to keep all of the bad men out? > On a more FreeBSD related note, do you think this will provoke the US > government to create restrictions hurtful to the free software community? > Such as crypto restrictions, or new laws allowing the government to invade > our privacy as we use the internet? All in the name of "protecting the > country from possible terrorist threats?" Could pgp be outlawed? Quite possible. The big argument in favor of controlling encryption has always been to intercept and counteract terrorist and other criminal communications. However, history has proven that US restrictions on such technology has no effect on its development, distribution and use in other countries. A smarter move would be to actually support open-source in a way similar to the European Comission's plan of declaring closed-source to be the least-reliable type of software. This idea stems from the fact that with a closed-source product, one has to take the manufacturer's word as to it's stability, reliability and performance. With open-source, everyone can see what makes it tick and what makes it crap-out. -- Milo Hyson CyberLife Labs, LLC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message