Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:08:59 -0700 From: Joe Rhett <jrhett@isite.net> To: Bill Moran <wmoran@potentialtech.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proper process for reporting bugs Message-ID: <20040426180859.GF8786@isite.net> In-Reply-To: <408D4CC3.70001@potentialtech.com> References: <20040426162053.GC2726@isite.net> <20040426165558.91746.qmail@web14106.mail.yahoo.com> <20040426170220.GB6538@isite.net> <408D4557.6070401@potentialtech.com> <20040426174027.GB8786@isite.net> <408D4CC3.70001@potentialtech.com>
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On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 01:54:11PM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: > It appears as if the major problem is simply a communication difficulty. > > I did not mean that this is the wrong forum for discussing PRs, patches and > fixes. > > I meant that this is the wrong forum for discussing policy, and whether or > not you think FreeBSD is a good project or not. Those kind of posts belong > on Slashdot or similar. I have NEVER in any form stated any opinion about FreeBSD itself, other than that I liked the changes in the boot process. > This forum is for taking the FreeBSD project forward. I understand if you > don't have time to craft well-written PRs with patches, but (unfortunately) > myself and most others are in that same situation. As a result, PRs > without patches are likely to be ignored - NOT because we don't like you > or we don't like the idea, or we are Nazi whackos ... but simply because > we don't have the time to fix it either. I have never stated that I wouldn't submit PRs or that I wouldn't provide patches. I was following the guidelines. Again, section 3 "Preparation" which explicitly states that they should be brought up on the mailing lists first. > >For which I have gotten sarcastic responses and insults. > > I'm sorry ... I may have missed some posts, but so far the only sarcasm and > insults I've seen have come from you and been directed at the FreeBSD > project as a whole. For example: > > "So from this point forward I'll keep my comments to myself, instead of > going out of my way to bring things to the attention of those that can fix > them. Didn't realize FreeBSD doesn't care about those things, but I've > certainly gotten that impression direct and clear over the last few days." There is no sarcasm in there. It is all stated fact, and I never meant to imply anything other than what I said. And no insults either. There is a single stated direction for me, and a mention that I had gotten an impression. Nothing compared to the barrage of personal insults I have received. > >The maturity > >level of responses I have received leaves much to be desired. > > Again ... the only immature responses I've seen so far have been yours. Then you aren't looking. I'm also tired of wasting my time. > understand that you're frustrated ... so am I. I have a list of things so > long that need done that I'll never get to most of them, and it's > frustrating to me. The fact that I have to take time to try to cool down > this argument (when I should be fixing a problem with phppdflib) is even > more frustrating. Trust me. I've got half a dozen patches here that haven't even been discussed, and instead of doing anything productive I'm having to deal with people insulting me for things I have never said or implied. > Please don't make it a waste of my time by being nothing more than a Troll. > I've gone out of my way in the past to help a frustrated newcomer only to > find out that the newcomer was completely unreasonable. I have not been unreasonable. I have repeatedly followed up on every single > Stop. Take a deep breath. Now consider the following: > 1) What you're asking for may seem reasonable to you, but may not be at > the top of everyone elses list. Just because it seems like a good > idea to you doesn't mean it does to everyone else. This why salesmen > get paid so much, because they're good at convincing people of things. Sure, I would happily consider this if a single person had argued against the changes I've suggested. Nobody has argued about the validity of the changes, instead they've just insulted me or assumed that I would disagree with the changes they would make and then insulted me for that. > 2) If someone _did_ respond to you with sarcasm and insult, then you're > not helping anything by responding in like kind. If you really care > about improving things, you'll ignore those responses and focus on > something constructive (like posts that aren't insult and sarcasm) I have never resorted to personal attacks on people, nor have I suggested that anyone else go away. > 3) If you continue with this thread in the tone that you're taking, you're > likely to inspire continued insults and sarcasm, which will waste a > lot of everyone's time, and eventually get you banned from the mailing > list. <shrug> Given that you seem to persist in claiming that I am doing something wrong, when I have done nothing other than follow the submission guidelines for PRs and then receive a barrage of attacks... I see no other useful action than to remove myself from this list. -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek JRhett@Isite.Net Isite Services, Inc.
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