From owner-freebsd-java Fri Feb 7 12:19: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5659B37B401; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F14443FB1; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:19:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C6D0ECF49; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:18:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id C130CCD23; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:18:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:18:57 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Randall Hamilton Cc: Bill Huey , Max Khon , Marc van Kempen , John Polstra , "John L. Utz III" , Brent Verner , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rwatson@freesbsd.org, calvin.austin@sun.com, brian@collab.net, bod@freebsdfoundation.org Subject: Re: patchset 2 report (billh's resignation) In-Reply-To: <000b01c2ce8a$468ed650$0301a8c0@nitedog> Message-ID: <20030207140859.D14822@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> References: <20030206202913.GA2285@gnuppy.monkey.org> <01E2A478-3A25-11D7-8CFD-0003930B8FFA@bowtie.nl> <20030207062013.A46600@iclub.nsu.ru> <20030207011437.GE3899@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20030207013834.U10604@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> <000b01c2ce8a$468ed650$0301a8c0@nitedog> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Randall Hamilton wrote: > Generally, When a group of people(Read: Corperation) are looking > to finance and/or fund a major development process, they do so only > after they research WHAT they are doing. The half ass approch of > saying "dude, you know anyone into this whole java thing?" really > does not cut it. There is a reasons that corperations spend > millions on research, focus groups, and testing on any product they > release....anyone care to wager what it is? Everybody who thinks the FF needed to first do more "research" obviously fails to understand the fact that they are volunteers, and they are already doing as much as they can on their own time, on their own dime. Who is to spend the time to do this research? They did as much research as they could afford and thought was necessary, and that research was to talk with their two contacts in the project. That IS research. Maybe, once the FF has large enough amounts of donations rolling in, they'll be able to distrust everybody they want to give money to and hire a private investigator to go around and ferret out all of the Black Helicopters. Until then, they don't and can't. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message