From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 16:19:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA654106564A for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 16:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553C68FC0C for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 16:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so3622398eek.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:19:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=kq4y1uXMCQTRideNzzmPQdjTTtadvKPBUrjIpqrY97U=; b=HgF/d6w1t5XksWmMoC+M2NiYlTBXn28Tkq+o/EefvMhFedLYfcU/3L0/C5sTdiG2JX UIU9E36p9E+lCY+lrgfqlyJlsX2jZs/elTbWqvgseD3h3bup2SqPCgrm4L+20bNY/EVP XLgaqfy4r5UAzhj97ydZKkSwE3lst++kq2MeZT/939cR2qy2E0dmb16BxgVMytH0L6F/ GWUbNteUWvtHDIi8l6y7vPgmImdZ7m6hUBg736MTirj/2vdTdmQrTN0MRG7l7mqfiBkK vk/KOBS3MmlxrqaxspQ8kD39gAHNyblGiEUB4yqaYkzMMeDs3D6f0iOJytXZ/lUDaYTr adVg== Received: by 10.14.101.138 with SMTP id b10mr6522418eeg.56.1341505174221; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a16sm64250508eeg.0.2012.07.05.09.19.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FF5BE93.4010509@my.gd> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 18:19:31 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <4FF4BEED.10103@FreeBSD.org> <62039A45-92E4-4588-988D-6DF39D7B01E5@bsdimp.com> <201207050922.25815.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlkcNn51yuHvUWkwlY/GULiKq4WhnwEpV0/ngoqL6StqLOTQggObUr+E5w0z9ZH3DAKChtw Subject: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 16:19:36 -0000 On 7/5/12 11:03 AM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 07/05/2012 01:28, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> On 2012-Jul-05 09:22:25 +0200, Jonathan McKeown >> wrote: >>> As for the idea that Linux refugees need extra help to migrate, >>> that's the sort of thinking that led to things like: >>> >>> alias dir=ls >> >> Whilst we're on the subject, can we please also have #define BEGIN >> { #define END } wired into gcc to help people migrating from Algol >> and Pascal. > > Um, this kind of elitist crap really isn't helpful. > > If the new feature gets created, and you don't want to use it, turn it > off. No problem. > > I appreciate the people who've spoken up as to why they wouldn't want > to use it, but I haven't seen anything yet that says "having this > feature is a universally bad idea." > > Doug > As long as it can be toggled off system-wide, persistently (sysctl?), I can't see the harm in bringing that in.