From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Nov 19 6:35:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2514837B401; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 06:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from MX1.estpak.ee (ld1.estpak.ee [194.126.101.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BA443E77; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 06:35:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kalts@estpak.ee) Received: from tiiu.internal (80-235-35-15-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.35.15]) by MX1.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98D288908; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:34:41 +0200 (EET) Received: from tiiu.internal (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiiu.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJEZX8p002197; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:35:33 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo@tiiu.internal) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by tiiu.internal (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJEZVZa002196; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:35:31 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:35:31 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: "Sameer R. Manek" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, re@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: restoring definition of -stable Message-ID: <20021119143531.GA1770@tiiu.internal> Reply-To: kalts@estpak.ee References: <20021117224945.A806@grosbein.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i-ja.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 02:36:00PM -0800, "Sameer R. Manek" wrote: > cc'd to release engineering team > > I think part of the problem is that freebsd has lost someone who previously > used to make sure that patches MFC were actually stable. JKH used to play an > active role in that. I remember once, someone had MFC some code that > introduced a stability bug, Jordan told the list that whoever MFCd' the code > had till the end of the day to issue a fix, or roll back the patch. We all > agree that -current is never a good idea for production systems. Actually, it weren't so beautiful, if I remember. Every so often in the release cycle were pre-release commitfest by jkh, because almost all the patches did through his hands. I'm not so sure he did commit/test cycle on each patch, this is unrealistic considering it as one-man job. Not that I want to diminish jkh long-time contributions to FreeBSD Project, just making sure you all don't get so excited about this model. -- Vallo Kallaste kalts@estpak.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message