From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 7 04:35:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BF116A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 04:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D9443D48 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 04:35:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.6p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i07CYexm037558; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 07:35:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20040107042006.GA65900@kosmos.my.net> References: <20040106202408.GC63867@kosmos.my.net> <20040106233751.A32387-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> <20040107001001.GA65133@kosmos.my.net> <20040107042006.GA65900@kosmos.my.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 13:18:17 +0100 To: Allan Bowhill From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Personal patches X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:35:07 -0000 At 8:20 PM -0800 2004/01/06, Allan Bowhill wrote: > : Have you ever heard of "contamination" or "computer error"? What > :about outright abuse of the system? > : > : We computer types should understand the concept of "garbage-in, > :garbage-out", as well as the concept of "no computer is infallible". > > Exactly. Keeping the garbage out is a legitimate goal of the system. Keeping the garbage out of where? The rules were removed months ago that required the FBI to make even a token attempt to ensure that their databases were relatively clean. At this point, anyone with access to any of the data sources which are used to feed those databases could put in anything they want, and law enforcement organizations all around the world would trust that information implicitly because they got it from the FBI, and if you can't trust the FBI then who can you trust? Have you ever heard of this guy called J. Edgar Hoover? Have you ever heard of the crimes that he committed against the country, using the FBI as his own personal mafia? See , specifically: | One must look no further than the Drug Enforcement Administration and | Kevin Tamez. | | Tamez is fifty years old and lives in Mount Laurel, New Jersey, a | pleasant suburb of Philadelphia. Until December Tamez served as the | Associate Special Agent in Charge of the DEA's New York office. But on | Monday, December 15^th, a 214-count indictment was issued against | Tamez, as Reuters reported at the time. Tamez was accused of | "embezzling DEA funds and using federal resources to conduct work for | a private investigations firm." | | What federal resources did Tamez misappropriate? Tamez was charged, | specifically, with "illegally obtaining information from law | enforcement computer systems and databases and using DEA personnel and | resources for work he did for a private investigations firm." | | Imagine Special Agent Tamez as an FBI agent. Imagine him issuing | himself a National Security Letter and proceeding to pass the | information gathered with that Letter on to his client, perhaps your | spouse, perhaps a business competitor. Your bank records aren't all | that Tamez can access. He can access your interactions with virtually | every business that deals in your money -- that is, nearly all. As I | noted earlier, H.R. 2417 allows Tamez to access records "from your | auctions on eBay to your credit card receipts to your insurance | records". > Batting 1000. The biggest act of terrorism in the U.S. was not performed > by insiders. Actually, it was. They were licensed, certified, authorized pilots. They went through all the right channels, had all the right training. They had valid passports. It is unlikely that any of this fingerprinting crap would have caught them -- they probably came over on flights routed through Europe, and therefore would have been exempt. Even if they would have gone through the fingerprinting process, most of their names were not previously suspected of being linked with terrorism, and their fingerprints certainly were not on file. Certainly, none of this would have any bearing whatsoever on the mailbomb/anthrax scare, and never would have had any impact whatsoever on Timothy McVeigh. And don't talk to me about the OKC bombing unless you were there, or you are directly related to someone who was. At the time, my Mom was the HR director for Norman Regional Hospital just 17 miles south of OKC, and pretty much their entire staff hit the road within minutes of the explosion. Being the HR director, she was responsible for counseling these people on what they saw. She got on the road with most of the rest of the staff, and while she didn't make it all the way to ground zero, she was helping out as best she could in a support capacity as close to the area as she could get. She is now an insomniac, and I'm sure that this is no coincidence. > Yeah, false positives can be embarrassing. But what the hell. Care to false positive about a thousand pounds of C4 as a suppository? We're talking about real human lives here, and the livelihood of most businesses and people in the US. Many may not be directly connected to tourism and exports, but all are indirectly connected. The country would never have existed in the first place if the borders had been completely closed, and certainly would cease to exist if the borders were to be completely closed. Economically, the kind of stupidity that the Bush administration is talking about is a death sentence for the country. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 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