From nobody Mon Nov 3 09:12:32 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4d0Qpr29z4z6FDf7 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2025 09:12:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Received: from www121.sakura.ne.jp (www121.sakura.ne.jp [153.125.133.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4d0Qpq582hz3pRC for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2025 09:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kalamity.joker.local (124-18-6-240.area1c.commufa.jp [124.18.6.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by www121.sakura.ne.jp (8.18.1/8.17.1/[SAKURA-WEB]/20201212) with ESMTPA id 5A39CWur032804; Mon, 3 Nov 2025 18:12:33 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=dec.sakura.ne.jp; s=s2405; t=1762161155; bh=ZzFeoS6phL2soUfIQjqRkMFczi0xp+mjPRlOvEjlN4g=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=rcqPwXs2XlHlwEXlLc1MSW1EuftCKGKpUz1IovkhwTod8ImEVgma+py9I95ULE7CH m8bwOGhpF+wDMWgRbPq6ZvghDFawoYmlfh4YyJh05CYQLDK3+fFegu+DYEZ08mkngz B6GDZ/NX/pEH221UmEHTMSckLJUA2GZCZ8qOwg+U= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 18:12:32 +0900 From: Tomoaki AOKI To: Chris Cc: Lars Tunkrans , Sulev-Madis Silber , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is the DVD image so large? Message-Id: <20251103181232.3d7c8825415f1d2ad3f08c6e@dec.sakura.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <8B8086D4-C68D-4C8A-86F2-C35212823B94@ketas.si.pri.ee> <73b4a16d-30f3-44b6-8477-aaa8e5aff82a@gmail.com> Organization: Junchoon corps X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd15.0) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7684, ipnet:153.125.128.0/18, country:JP] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4d0Qpq582hz3pRC On Sun, 02 Nov 2025 16:09:27 -0800 Chris wrote: > On 2025-11-01 13:01, Lars Tunkrans wrote: > > Den 2025-11-01 kl. 17:19, skrev Sulev-Madis Silber: > >> > >> On November 1, 2025 4:06:48 PM GMT+02:00, Dennis > >> Clarke wrote: > >>> Why is the DVD image so large? Can something/anything be trimmed out? > >> it's kind of funny > >> > >> because cperciva was just asked to fill up the apparant "empty" wasted > >> space seen in beta3 dvd > >> > >> which he did! even overachieved the task slightly, apparently? > >> > >> so in order to not generate full war we would need to either cut back, > >> remove or abadon actual dvd size in some images > >> > >> or maybe make image remotely or locally customizable > >> > >> or provide separate images (tiny, medium, huge) which are just offline > >> repos > >> > >> or finally start shipping images with various de's which users ask but > >> which can't be easily done as disks don't self-expand. and then you need to > >> archive it all too > >> > >> or something else > >> > >> p.s.: btw, i was not able to install ports from b3 dvd for some reason, i > >> didn't check why and completed the test setup from remote > > > > HI > > > > Yes I started this ..... > > I notices that B2 did not include the DVD: ./packages/repo directory and > > contents. > > this was fixed in B3. but B3 was Void of KDE packages. B4 now have KDE > > packages > > but is 4.8 GB , > > I propose to abandon DVD 4.7 GB format and that future DVD-ISO packages use > > DVD-DL > > 8.5 GB discs. > Why stop there? Why not abandon DVDs entirely and require 16GB and require a > 16+ GB thumb drive? > IMHO The easier for someone to get FreeBSD on their target, the better. It > used to be on CD. > Now it's available in DVD. But why restrict it to the largest DVD possible? > > > > Regards > > -- > There is no such place as the internet Another option (far more difficult, though) would be switching to Blu-ray disks. Why difficutlt? Because it would be strongly expected supports for newer UDF that BD requires, if official BD image is provided, even if the media is actually in ISO 9660. And UDF support on FreeBSD is outdated that cannot mount BD. Regards. -- Tomoaki AOKI