From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jan 4 20:23:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322B11438B1F for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 20:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28BB082A64 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 20:23:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.226.69]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mqrjz-1h9x7b0ZsH-00muW0 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2019 21:23:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 21:23:22 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on HP Computer that is using software RAID 5 Message-Id: <20190104212322.018833a6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20190102222619.c63f20f0.freebsd@edvax.de> <6d05c736-8020-4963-fe29-3e6bd9110fe3@FreeBSD.org> <8a1d9b31-8dc7-753c-8d37-1eed2d0bd06a@FreeBSD.org> <61b4143c-1991-805e-4b4e-8ddb3c20b032@FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:/tbbOitfuQ+v33diPJFa0mqWTTFE7n4WmOu8dUGJ3YKJoScXs1U dyyqDCEBeHgCT8tNyWfKJuRYEUPWyI9FKb+IvyfbrId09cuwHA5n52YZxiIpKXj/UVwAuuh 6pzh5GMxMKDt6UlmUy2WcTme09thgeoefZrD1Sz984KCooOISer5EnRhWRxbyiTZ5Da6Zed A9kswWxBw6E5M4TsFQheg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:pAPTcAVahs4=:3bHv4sd2sj/IGqi1nATsHI JoPGFaLdCVoRlMtInu62D8DwH4Z++XF2mx40+5L+vHNBOLlo7EDYJlzJ31HmbgZqCPVsSUaQW PqU/AE9+Y86VxErprZpqPrpXTumXK630V2yShjPSha6Jn/+uUYPph22gql560KPYxwhWLcIUC lH+YxChTc41g7AsZaKbkbV9xt/OaDQEiTu/t1xsxymIkGNsYz/wEilGOOvya+yhTOgpko2Tpz stdIRt7TqAZlQY7P+DRxEnUw1ecJ6LrB/HH+iRkyXz+IWHiz/lHl1CoEIPcozp1WvO5GrxOMV T7XY9pHeuTgvwztE0jUUU5fcfwq46l2lp26XdKcPYaeG5z07fp07Qsu2VRzfP9aH+ewICBEn1 5j5aDDKuUfGwFFLkhng/AQ5RjhGv7mixk8GMLz1lPLNli8bRMz3tJ0d+RMCbOqsS8F88idrba /do1XVteR7L3CXRV+icpcw4pLajVcbXABMlQdf80V1VhG2JT2TsrDim5moItRiZgU7C5Ag5kd IJ7VdbR5YbCNlXivryXPeliuLQvEPlbkrZ4Spr4/lHzapgmST3L6cEQmQV25JCGjV2FdWnXaM Dm2U00ZsGW6j1sJZcH9/0f1R3+Tgw1apOlD0FGfE+GG2HHzJUgCDMWMOCtJJPwer1DjrdpEsn RqnKMAyZBFFiyzE1Q0JIkzxaHzlC4e0atlJ7A7Dr5xd3aQvRkgeS2Y3YBNhB/Y/N7PUphEn4p QCfI1kFogbJ3/ReVv651aCtAKqY1EYO4SmOqgy6MWTrPfGXTbLiHtC34zKY= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 28BB082A64 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.51 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx00.schlund.de,mx01.schlund.de]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[69.226.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.73)[0.726,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.30)[0.297,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.968,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[24.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.13)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.40), asn: 8560(1.07), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 20:23:26 -0000 On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 17:43:57 +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > I inadvertently used the term "STABLE" when I meant "RELEASE". Sorry > about that. You can understand the FreeBSD-specific terminology when you think about a "distillery process": HEAD / CURRENT This is where actual development takes place. Things are introduced, tested, changed very often, and sometimes even removed. You usually track this branch via svn. It is primarily intended for developers who need the absolutely most recent version of the code. This can be slightly (!) compred with "rolling release", but as this is a development branch, there is no guarantee the software will run correctly - or even compile. STABLE All the changes considered "good" and "stable" are located here. The ABI is _stable_ across the many STABLE versions, which means that no further need for reinstalling / recompiling ports is given. Again, svn is the common tool to access this branch. This version is intended for users who want "bleeding edge software" that they can rely on. STABLE versions are happening less often. BETA ALPHA RCx (release candidate) RELEASE This finally will be what ends up in the images to be written to optical media and USB sticks. It is the final result of release engineering and is "the complete operating system, in a fixed state". You typically get this from the FTP server or a mirror. A RELEASE only happens once. RELEASE-pX The security patches are to be applied with the freebsd-update program to add important fixes to the installed RELEASE version. Those patches are issued as needed. This is quite simplified, but I think it's still a good analogy about how FreeBSD development happens and what a common interpretation of the terms is. As you can see, STABLE is a somewhat "moving" thing... ;-) > Interestingly enough, I have had users who are not using > some form of *nix tell me that the terms seem counter intuitive. > Stable would seem to indicate a final version where release would seem > to be something that was not yet quantified as stable. Fully correct - depending on who you ask, there can be enormous differences in the exegesis of termini technici, and the termini themselves can significantly change upon domain. > By the way, and nothing personal, but your claim that "installer images > simply takes too long" in invalid. It reminds me of the old adage, > "There is never enough time to do it right, but there is always enough > time to do it over." If you cannot do it right, hire people who can. In my opinion, providing RELEASE-pX images (patched versions) could be a nice addition to the offerings FreeBSD already has. I think you will agree that STABLE "snapshots" probably aren't that interesting, while BETA, ALPHA, and RCs might be useful for testers. Given an Internet connection is activated upon system installation time, a non-intrusive dialog could be presented like this: You are about to install FreeBSD 12.0. Currently there are patched versions available which you can install. Please select the version you want: [ ] FreeBSD 12.0 of 2018-12-12 [ ] FreeBSD 12.0 p1 of 2019-01-23 [ ] FreeBSD 12,0 p2 of 2019-02-34 Sorry for the nonsense dates. :-) This is especially handy for installation via "bootonly" media where no actual data to be installed is present. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...