From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 31 13: 8: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77DE14C1C for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:07:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.226.16]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA3ABB; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:06:09 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA59150; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:06:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:06:32 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Brett Glass Cc: Foxfair Hu , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD, the follower of Linux ? Message-ID: <19990831220632.B58178@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <37CB916C12C.56BBFOXFAIR@drago.cert.org.tw> <4.2.0.58.19990831094953.04670380@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990831094953.04670380@localhost> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [People easily offended by strong words, go read another message] * Brett Glass (brett@lariat.org) [990831 18:33]: >What I'm concerned about, though, is that the developers might literally try >to sabotage such an effort. In that case, it'd be necessary to do a fork >(which I'd hate to do; it entails much wasted and duplicated work) or to go >with one of the other BSDs (perhaps OpenBSD). So, I'm in somewhat of a >quandary here. Would Jordan Hubbard, in a million years, even accept the existence >of an effort that would actively market and evangelize BSD UNIX? Would Walnut >Creek try to take FreeBSD private if such an effort became too successful? For blood's sake Brett, are you bloddy paranoid or something? Every mail you sent nowadays always mentions Jordan as the big bad wolf and with you being the humble sheep that only wants to do this or that. In the beginning of my mailinglist forays I had respect for you due to your analysis of the GPL and all that related. However you wasted all your respect by now. By now I think you and your rabit behaviour actually matches Theo's zealotry and I would sincerely suggest to relocate your efforts to OpenBSD as you already hinted at in the above. Also, for all your `preaching' and `evanglism' you even consider forking yet another BSD? Then I see you have learned as little as you continuously chose to criticise Jordan for. The developers welcome advocacy, in fact, some of us do it through development in ways you probably can't understand since you appear too focused on your own little private agenda. Also, in all my encounters with Jordan I am starting to see his points more and more and I admit sometimes wonder at certain things he does, but after all, Jordan is not god, or Mr. BSD, or whatever, he's only human and IMNSHO entitled to make mistakes. Can you finally accept stuff like this and start to actually do SOMETHING? We have a saying here in Rotterdam which translates to "No words, but deeds." You sir, should probably never relocate to Rotterdam. Enjoy your ongoing BSD life. I hope I will not be a part of it in whatever idea you want to give to these words. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best I think, therefore I am. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message